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Suzuki carry / daihatsu hijet engine swap and entire vehicle-mods

Discussion in 'Performance' started by Jeremy47, Mar 22, 2017.

  1. Jeremy47

    Jeremy47 New Member

    Hello everyone, Im new to this forum and Mini-Trucks in general, But i'll get right to the point.
    Currently I do not own a mini-truck for myself, but am currently looking at purchasing one. (currently looking at a '88 4wd daihatsu hijet 547cc 3cylinder 4stroke, But if I can find one I'd rather get the suzuki carry '92/91 4wd 657cc) I only found out about mini trucks from my passion in UTV's,I wanted a strong 4wd UTV with over 30hp and atleast 600lbs of towing capacity, Now the only downside to that is my options were well over 5,000$,and that was just for a 24hp ATV,not a full-UTV, a website reccomended to the public that if they wanted a strong offroad and on-road equivalent of a ATV/UTV to just get a mini-truck. the only downside's I can see to any mini-truck that is availible for import to usa within my budget (800-1200 USD max) is a 1992 and older,and either the daihatsu hijet or the suzuki carry,as the honda acty doesnt feature full lockable and selectable speed diff+transfer cases [i digress] is the lack of engine power.
    So I was thinking, I've seen video's of it being done,people swapping the engines out of these vehicles for a 1.6l g16b suzuki engine for more acceleration and slightly more top-gear speed. So that got me thinking, is it not too far off to put one of those and a twin-turbo setup of small turbo's (small enough to keep minimal boost at 1200rpm but big enough to still keep good boost at full throttle,say twin turbo's each meant for 450-500cc motorcycle engines @ 12k rpm),and the small turbo's would be used becuase I dont want alot of top end power,thats not too relevant to me,I could just switch gears accordingly for the speed side of things. What im chasing is torque. and to keep around 4psi at 2800rpm and around 8 at ~4700rpm. I want the towing capacity to be upped to around 1,500lbs achievable in 3rd gear.
    Obviously i'll need to do suspension overhauls and braking overhauls obviously but thats a slightly bigger fish to fry atleast for the moment.

    TL;DR i want a g16b with twin turbo's in a daihatsu hijet or a suzuki carry, is it possible and ifnot how can i make it possible?
     
  2. KCCats

    KCCats Member

    Welcome!
    I just got my 91 Cary in Dec!
    I believe it will already do everything you are asking!
    There are a few tips on here to get the HP up!
    I agree I wish there was more torque!
    I am in the process of comparing the 660 Suzuki Cary motor to the same (similar) 660 Suzuki from the Arctic Cat Snowmobile!
    I am a Moderator on the Snowmobile Forum.com, and am aware of the snowmobile that Cat put the motor into!
    The first one in around 05 was 80HP!, Then they put a turbo on it (stock) and it makes 124hp!
     
  3. Jeremy47

    Jeremy47 New Member

    Thanks KCCats for the welcome.
    nice on the carry,how does it handle for you (dont be afraid to send me a paragraph if you want,or even just a sentance. im interested in knowing how they handle on highway's in rain/wind, snow,wet offroad, and how it handles attempting to tow somethign thats way outside of its spec (say if its rated to tow 700kg and trying to tow 2200kg) would it just spin the tires or would it give it its all (1st gear,4-low,towing something that will move,like say fallen tree's or maybe a downed vehicle)
    124hp hp isnt bad. arent most snowmobiles belt-driven though?
    and do you really think the 547cc would be able to tow 1500lbs in 3rd gear ? with 4wd in high,not low. (so as to take some weight from point A to B on-road @ about 35-40mph)
    if you say it will do everything that i would ask of it already, then all it really could use is a turbo for better on-road acceleration (still gotta be a speed-demon sometime haha)
    Not really chasing HP, more-so torque. but since hp and torque come hand-in-hand then i suppose im also chasing HP,but not much the same way i'd chase it on a different kind of vehicle...haha!
    Thanks!
     
  4. KCCats

    KCCats Member

    They handle the road fine, no problems!
    Well except a head wind!
    But no torque, they turn like 8000 rpm and only make like 40 hp!
    I have towed trailers already no issue!
    Rain and snow no problem at all!
    Off road now that is another story!
    Off road is REALY where they Shine!
    I plan on reworking my intake and exhaust to try to get my top end up, doubt it will give me any more torque!
    But basically I take off in 3rd gear even with bigger 13" tires!
    I am planning a 2" lift (Body lift or drive line drop)
    Running 14" truck tires on road and 26 X 12 X 12 ATV on back and 26 X 8 x 12 on front(already have had the ATV tires on (look at my Avatar pic)
    But if I end up buying a set of off road tires I may go as big as 30" tall 8" wide all the way around?
    Off road I never get out of second gear!
    And in 4X4 there is even an Extra Low gear for crawling down cliffs! (been there done that!)
     
  5. KCCats

    KCCats Member

    Mine is street legal but I also had to give $5k for a 25 year old truck with 38,000 miles on it!
     
  6. Jeremy47

    Jeremy47 New Member

    haha,yeah where i live its very very windy. about 30mph wind through 60% of the day so i'd need alot of torque to counter that wind.
    8k???? jeez,that'll gain alot of power from the turbo i was planning. its designed for roughly 6psi from a 600c engine at 3600rpm... you think the engine could handle about 10psi? (i'd have a computer limit the boost to about 6psi,maybe 7max if i really needed some strong power)
    the one i want is a 4speed+reverse and 4hi/low/neutral. no EL or 5/6th gears.
    30" tall? jesus thats insane,i love it.
    5k?$?$?$? im going to get mine anywhere form 900-1300$. http://www.beforward.jp (use code 207292 for 15$ off) only can export 25+ year old but still its a great value site from japan direct.
    i was qouted 1088$ [​IMG][​IMG][​IMG]

    8450 miles for an 1988 4wd.
     
  7. Jeremy47

    Jeremy47 New Member

    (ive done fact checking and background info on that site quite a few times, and a few people who've reccomended these vehicles to me even said they used the site)
     
  8. ttc

    ttc Active Member

    8000 miles that is bs as the 80s trucks didn't go to 100k they go back to 0 so that truck would have 108,000k on it
     
  9. ttc

    ttc Active Member

    I have a 95 110 and I can fill the box as high as the cab all the way back almost and still do 90kph in 5th on the flat. Hills put me down into 3rd at 50kph.
     
  10. ttc

    ttc Active Member

    They do have turbo version of them factory If you really search.
     
  11. Jeremy47

    Jeremy47 New Member

    thats still better than my other 4wd offroading option for the same price - my moms 1998 lincoln navigator with somewhere north of 200k miles and pretty pathetic offroad capability. too much power,it just spins the tires. 5.4l -v8

    90kph only? i'd be needing to go atleast 105kph on highway with overloaded capacity (full bed + trailer). have my drag racing lawn mower in bed and on trailer my offroad gokart+ space for work stuff like chopped logs or steel weights.
     
  12. Jeremy47

    Jeremy47 New Member

    Yeah i know their is a turbo version,but that turbo only added 1hp and like 2lb-ft of torque, nothing special at all. and is only availbe in units that are well outside my budget.
    either way i like to do things custom, i know my work is good quality and if it goes out i already know how to fix it,not like having to figure out wtf the oem's were thinking when they paired a small engine with 1300lbs of weight haha.
     
  13. KCCats

    KCCats Member

    Have you confirmed the cost of the Duties and taxes and tariffs?
    I know there is an issue with titles too!
    There is a few places that you can get 6 or 7 trucks in a cargo box for $7k delivered!
     
  14. ttc

    ttc Active Member

    EF-XS has 61hp and 63ftlbs
     
  15. ttc

    ttc Active Member

    the oems did what they had to stay in the rules for kei jidōsha. the american mentality of bigger is better doesnt always work. sounds like you need a f250 not a micro truck.
     
  16. Jeremy47

    Jeremy47 New Member

    @ttc if i wanted a full size i could easily buy a friends 4.4l v6 S10. it wont fit where i need to take it,plus their alot less unique and alot less thrill is earned when you make something already good and make it better,its much more fun to take something completely unheard of (atleast in my city) and make it amazing. that and most the trucks for sale in my city arent 4wd and if they are they arent pickups,their suv's,like a lincoln navigator/ford explorer.
    @KCCats 7k? that seems amazing could you perhaps swing me a link?
    no,i wasnt even aware of either of those. these costs are starting to add up and now just buying one off ebay for 2200$ all-inclusive price isnt seeming like such a bad idea...
     
  17. KCCats

    KCCats Member

    Finding one for sale is hard enough!
    I know of one other for sale here in Illinois, not street legal and wants $7k!
    Yeah try doing a search here, the search doesn't seem to work very well though?
     
  18. Tuskano

    Tuskano Member

    Anything can be possible. If you twin turbo, worse you can do is blow the engine. That'll give you more of a reason to put something else in, or downgrade to a single turbo.

    I have a S110P Hijet which I daily on the roads/highways, and has had the 660cc 4wd engine in it. Lots of low torque, but nothing special of course. While I am on deployment, I am having a local mechanic have at it for a NA 13B rotary swap off of a 88 Rx7. Would give it lots more high end torque. Would make it 2wd though, but I don't off-road often.

    If you are planning on suspension and don't plan on lifting it, a Japanese company called Kei-Zone makes adjustable coilovers, front/rear that stiffen it up very nice for on-road use.
     

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  19. Acerguy

    Acerguy Moderator Staff Member

    I'm curious where you are getting 8450 miles? The picture you show has an ODO reading of around 73,749km....which is 45,825 miles. As mentioned, it could have rolled over too. I would suggest that compared to a typical UTV, the average kei truck is not going to perform nearly as well off road without a LOT of modifications. They are designed as semi-urban farm trucks with somewhat limited wheel travel and McPherson struts up front. There have been some engine swaps on this forum. Perhaps the most extreme was Greg's HiJet from years ago. https://minitrucktalk.com/threads/engine-solid-axle-swap-build.3306/ Needless to say, he has some cash into it.
     
  20. KCCats

    KCCats Member

    I am still looking for someone at Suzuki that can answer some questions about the snowmobile engine!
    I am planning on possible making an exh manifold/ header for it and then the EFI?
    I will keep you posted on the performance / MPG differences!
    Im only at 30mpg on the highway!
     

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