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Looking for a Scrum + Questions

Discussion in 'Mazda Scrum' started by MazKid, Aug 11, 2007.

  1. MazKid

    MazKid New Member

    Hi, I'm new here. Recently, I came across Kei trucks...I always knew about them, but never thought about them being availible in the US...but they are, and lots of them. So it got me thinking...small but very capable truck, sounds like fun.

    After doing some research, I'm confused as to the legality of these things on public roads in Missouri. Just looking on MO mini truck dealer's web sites, some say they aren't legal, others say they are but not on highways. So...are they? I know they can't easily be licensed, which doesn't seem like a big deal to me as I'm a Mazda new car salesman and have a dealer plate I could slap on the thing and drive with atleast a bit of confidence.

    I've also read that a lot of these trucks are governed...from what I gather most have a shift blocking plate...is there another way they are governed? Is the shift blocker as simple as it sounds, as it can be removed easily?

    Now, onto the truck itself...I'm looking for a Mazda Scrum...yeah yeah, I know it's the same as a Carry, but I'm a Mazda enthusiast so I need the Mazda version. It's just one of those things. :D From what I gather, the Scrums are pretty rare compared to the Carry.
    1. I know some of these are 550CC and some are 660CC...I'd be looking for a 660(Again, driving on the street, I must have as much power as I can so I'd even be looking at mods and possibly turbocharging sometime later). Is there a specific year change from 550 to 660?
    2. So some are 4 speeds, some are 5, and some are 6(5 + Extra low)? How common are those 6 speed trucks? I was tracking one on eBay in Arkansas that was the 6 speed but the auction ended "reserve not met".
    3. The 4WD system...I've read that some have locking hubs, some have limited slip diffs, some are just 4WD. How can I tell which is which?
    4. What is the lug pattern on these trucks? Looking at it they almost look like 4X110(as in 1st gen RX-7 pattern) but others look like the smaller 4X114 like many other Mazdas. Again, using it on the road so it'll have road tires probably bigger diameter than the stock tires for higher top speed(dare I drive it on the highway?).
    5. What are the year runs? The trucks I've seen either have a squared dash or round dash, I know the round is newer but how much newer...and the headlights, some are round, some are sqaure, what years?

    I think that's it, so far. Can anyone get me a Scrum? To sum it up, I want a 660CC, round headlight style, 4WD 6 speed(or 5 speed), A/C if easily availble.


  2. Colin

    Colin Member

    The limiter is very easily removed - it's usually just a gate box welded around the shifter and a little standoff under the pedal. 'Course you'll be breaking the law by doing so. :)

  3. Cape Ape

    Cape Ape Member

    scrum available

    I've got one if you can't find one closer.
  4. MazKid

    MazKid New Member

    Thanks for the offer. I know I can find one closer, it just comes down to options, price and availability. I guess I need to start calling around here and seeing if I can find one.
  5. charlie@mandm

    charlie@mandm New Member


    I have been selling these trucks in SE MO for over four years now,if you get caught by the MO HP driving one on the road they will , at the least , ticket you. Whatever you do, DO NOT put a D-tag on the truck. I have customers that used to drive them to town for farm business only and they can't even do that now. I just recently had a guy buy one who owns 600 acres,he called the HP to ask if he could drive it on a state hwy. from property to property, they told him NO. There is a bill in the house right now that if passes will allow them on all raods except interstates in MO. If you have any questions just call your local HP headquarters.

    Charlie Mcconnaughay
    MandM Tractor
  6. MazKid

    MazKid New Member

    Thanks for the advise...I did see that bill while searching the net for info. I sure hope it passes. I guess it would be a good idea for me to wait until it does(or doesn't) before I really try to buy one. :)
  7. iowaminitrucks

    iowaminitrucks New Member

    Scrum for sale


    I have a 1992 Mazda 77,018 KM 4 spd with Differential and axle lock. check my website for other trucks available www.iowaminitrucks.com
  8. Colin

    Colin Member

    Good idea - it would be a bummer to sink a bunch of money into a truck that can't leave your property.

    I imagine the trucks will still be limited to 25mph as per EPA regulations if/when this law passes in your state. The state can't overstep the feds. :(

  9. MazKid

    MazKid New Member

    Luckily I can overstep the feds and take any limiting devise off of the truck when I buy it. :D

    But yeah...the truck would be stored at my brother's shop, or one of my cars would be and the truck would be here...either way, it would be terrible to buy something I can't drive, especially since it looks like I'll be paying more for one of these than for each of my 3 cars.

    I'll hold out unless a steal of a deal comes by me...and then I'll buy it and store it. Looking at the bill, it's still in limbo...atleast it wasn't withdrawn. There's still hope.
  10. texagswin97

    texagswin97 Guest

    are there really that many people buying these for road use? Seems like the intended use of off road is where 90% of those purchasing are intending to use these. I don't think I would want to drive this on the road. there are plenty of cars//trucks that get good gas mileage.
  11. MazKid

    MazKid New Member

    But I'm a small car/Mazda enthusiast. This truck is the type of thing I like, since importing actual Kei cars isn't going to happen in the US.

    I would have a blast driving one of these on the road no matter how slow/ackward it is. That just adds to the fun.

    I'd off-road it when I could. Gas mileage means nothing to me...I'm a car salesman at a dealership that gives its sales people a free tank of gas(87 octane) a week - even before I got the gas I didn't really care because I have fun while driving and that burns gas. Pay to play. :)

    So basically I just want the truck to A. Have fun driving such an unusual vehicle. B. 4WD for snow/off-road. C. Haul stuff from time to time.

    I don't have a farm, I live on a 1/4 acre in suburbia St. Louis. I'm not going to camo the thing or add a hunting box, I would just get some Mazda wheels for it with decent road tires, rhino-line the bed, and drive the thing.
  12. Wolfman

    Wolfman Member

    I still don't understand the fear. I drove a Mitsubishi panel van that was basically identical in cab design as a Kei truck (engine under seat). I was actually hit in it, on the front driver side corner by an inattentive driver making a left turn immediately in front of me. The cab did not collapse into a ball of tin foil, nor did the van explode on impact. I did get a good knot on my head from bumping it on the window frame, and I did have to get out of the passenger side.

    I've also ridden motorcycles cross country.

    I find I look over passenger car's roofs just fine, and look directly into any full size truck, just like any SUV. Yeah, I know they aren't designed for the U.S. market. I do not however, feel like I'm about to die every time I back it out of my driveway.
  13. esidesminitrucks

    esidesminitrucks New Member

  14. MazKid

    MazKid New Member

    Thanks for the offer but I'm looking for basically a stock one and definately not camo'ed.
  15. Super Mini Trucks

    Super Mini Trucks New Member


    Give us a call, always have them in excellant condition
  16. esidesminitrucks

    esidesminitrucks New Member

    I have s Suziki instead

    I have a stock suzuki which is the same as a mazda 1996 model with 22,000 kilometers, and axle lock and A/c
  17. abcminitrucks

    abcminitrucks Member

    I have a Scrum, 94 model (I think) that is in good condition. It has AM wheels and tires on it with A/C and both axle locks. It is off white in color.
  18. Wolfman

    Wolfman Member

    What? No pics on your site yet? Geez. :D:D:D:

    Is that enough smileys to know that I'm just kidding? :D
  19. abcminitrucks

    abcminitrucks Member

    Working on the pics....trucks were just delivered last night @ 10pm.
  20. abcminitrucks

    abcminitrucks Member

    Here is a pic of the scrum. Sorry for the bad shot...but it is the best I could do in a pinch.
  21. Wolfman

    Wolfman Member

    Cool. I like getting to see the little differences between the different makes.
  22. MazKid

    MazKid New Member

    **** that looks nice! I wish you were closer to St. Louis. Just curious, how much are you asking for it?

    The mini truck bill in MO hasn't been passed or anything yet. :(
  23. abcminitrucks

    abcminitrucks Member

    I can work out delivery for you. Price is $4950. Includes wheels and tires just like in the picture....and only has 28K miles on it. It also has A/C and both axle and diff lock.
  24. MazKid

    MazKid New Member

    How much is it without those wheels and tires, just a set of the stock steelies and regular tires?

    I don't know if I can buy it since these things aren't yet legal for street use in Missouri. The house bill is HB1010 and it's not looking like it'll get reviewed any time soon. :(
    Last edited: Sep 6, 2007
  25. abcminitrucks

    abcminitrucks Member

    I bought this truck with the custom wheels and tires on it, so I don't have the OEM wheels for it.

    Good luck with getting that bill passed, you may be waiting a long time. This is a great deal on a truck with this many options.
  26. abcminitrucks

    abcminitrucks Member

    SOLD IT! I knew it would not last long.
  27. GR.mike

    GR.mike Member

    we have several Mazdas here in Missouri. We are primarly a wholesaler but do some retail if you are not near a dealer of ours. We have 90-98 mazdas some with a/c others without. As far as the highway use goes...not yet but hopefully soon. give us a call with anymore info that you might need...check out the website....oh and we are only about 1-2 hours away.
    Last edited: Jan 10, 2008
  28. MazKid

    MazKid New Member

    Thanks for the offer...I was hoping your site would have inventory lists and pictures and all. I'm not really in the market for one of these trucks until (if) the Missouri house bill passes to make these trucks legal for road use. It was supposed to go into effect on 8/28/07 but nothing has been done and nothing planned. :frustration:
  29. GR.mike

    GR.mike Member

    yeah I heard that the bill will not pass, b/c of the lack of support.:(...If you do deceide to get a truck anyway, please let me know we can email you some pics. Our inventory changes so often (week to week) so we don't post pics online. I hate going to websites and looking at the inventory page only to find that 10 out of 12 trucks listed are sold. Anyway keep in touch.
  30. Wolfman

    Wolfman Member

    You know Mazkid, nothing will be done, unless support is drummed up for getting the bill passed. I'd recommend looknig up who sponsored it, and start working with them to get some momentum generated for the bill.

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