I'm not clear on what you mean by "torque bias'. As far as break-in goes- the parts in the kit are ground, but when you take one apart that still has little time on it, you don't have total contact between the kit and the axle gears. Part of this is caused by the heavy load from the springs. Allan
I hope to have a chunk out of '99 on it way. I'll call to find out if it is on it's way Monday morning. The Suz. kit I have [for '94] might fit yours, If it doesn't fit you can return it and our chunk [which will have to be out to install the limited slip kit] and I'll make you one and install it in your chunk within a week. Allan
I have been told that Suz. has 3 different diff. in this time frame. If you buy a limited slip kit and it doesn't fit, you can return it with the chunk out of your diff. I'll make one that fits and return it within a week. [You will already have the chunk out to install the kit in it.] Allan
I have the front lsd in a second truck now. I ran it for a little bit near the house in some small gulleys and dirt piles and it appears to be pulling stronger than just the rear kit did on the other truck. I need to get them out together and see how they perform in a head-to-head or head-to-tail in this case... I'll be getting the trailer hooked up in the middle of next week to get back out to the area51 testing grounds. I'll shoot some more bad video to share with all of you that are interested. Has anyone else installed theirs yet and how are they working out for you? I thought the front kit might have some adverse affect on the drivability on the asphalt but, I feel no changes in the normal handling of the mini with the front kit either. I'm glad i tried these before i broke out the welder and ruined my axles/differentials. i also took the oportunity to rebuild my failing cv joints while i had it all apart. I had some problems locating a shop that would work with these axles. all of the driveline shops stopped working with these a few years back. I was referred to the only shop left in town that knows what to do with these and in about 20 minutes on a saturday afternoon this guy had it stripped down, replaced all of the bearing components, greased, booted and freshly painted it. and a warranty to boot... sure saved me a lot of time and aggrivation. I'll share his info with anyone finding axle repairs locally a problem.
I am selling kits. Two dealers are installing them this week. They are about 6 weeks behind on this because they are so busy selling trucks. After I got thru testing the kits in my truck, I have extended the cab 20 inches. I'll get some pictures posted of it later. Allan
I am still trying to compare the front vs rear kits. i took mine out last week and broke both trucks before i got very far. we hit a hill with a sandstone ridge that we just couldn't get past. i shot a couple of videos of that. after that hill we raced down a motorcycle trail and nearly rolled one over when the rack & pinion failed. Hit a rock and snapped the wheels so hard that it went up sideways on two wheels rocketing through the brush. and the other truck lost its battery somewhere in the middle of the desert while bouncing around. both trucks performed equally well on the terrain but results are still inconclusive on which kit made the biggest difference front or rear... the lsd kits are exponentially better than the stock setup. I'll patch the trucks together again and try some more soon. its hard to get out, have fun and shoot videos at the same time... rear kit only http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_lpYoi_KhQ front kit only http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjZtfVJHouo
Lookig at the "after" vids did not seem very beneficial in determine the effectiveness of the kit, simply because there was so much speed involved.
I still don't quite understand how this works... could a kit like this be made for any open diff car application? How much locking force does it actually give? I'm very intrested in learning more. I have a 95 2wd hijet.
BigO-L3, I guess you're right about a little more speed being involved in those shots. I should try to get back to the same spots as the prior videos and try to recreate a more comparable run up the hill. The kits are making a difference that is quite noticeable to me and it is feeling like the front kit is pulling through things marginally better than the rear. I was out in some sand a few days ago and had to pull the truck with the rear kit out of some places that the one with the front kit would drive right through. I'm headed out again this weekend and will see what i can catch with the camera. Gumball, I torque tested the rear kit when i put it on and found it to be holding the lock up to about 80 pounds of force at the wheel. I'll have to measure it again , now that the kit has seen some use and settled in some.
I got out with my mitsu's again recently and took a shot at at playing in a patch of sand... It's the first time we got one so stuck that it couldn't get out under its own power. ...Still comparing the differences between having a rear limited slip -vs- front limited slip. I can say now, without a doubt, it is significantly better to have the front lsd. I never even came close to getting stuck in the sand while i was driving the truck with the front kit. unlike my friend in the video. After that, we were a little hesitant to go further in to the dunes and stayed on the firm stuff. I saw a few rhinos out in the area and tried to keep up with what they were doing and i collapsed a rim going through the whoops. I think i just have to accept the fact that these are never going to handle speed like a pre-runner, which is the newest project in the garage now. I'll have to get some pics of the other toys and post in that thread soon. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQ_nD-diLMY I finally found a movie-maker and heres my first shot at linking some of my 10 second videos together. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=locWAUEcxOQ
Limited slip - video Nevada Dan, "Mits Tequila" was Killer - loved the driftin'/slide finale. wish i cud've joined you guys. i know you've thought about it, so when are you going to get front and rear lsd's into the same unit? "Mits/Mas Tequila II"???? but anyway like Timetripper said - i too appreciate your time and efforts in not only testing the lsd's but documenting it also. Cool looking toys in other post......later, slim
I have a rear for the 92 suz. There are 3 different front diff. for them. I have only been into one of them. It has 4 spider gears and there is no room for the limited slip kit. Any that have only 2 spider gears should work with the kits. Allan
Slimbad, Yeah, i have thought about the complete package for the mini's and have one more kit on the bench ready to go in. It will probably be a while before i can clear a spot in the garage for another axle teardown. It's going to be a rear kit for the one that has the front set up already done. It should be nearly unstoppable when i get it finished...
I'm looking at buying a mini truck and found one without the axle lock that I thought I needed for off road.Will this kit front and rear do just as good? Thanks
Welcome to the forum from a fellow BC'er Common error on lingo on the 4x4 system: Axle Lock: It's function is to engage the front drive shafts into 4wd only, it does not acheive any kind of Limited Slip/ Posi, etc on the front end. All Kei trucks come from the factory with open diffs - i.e. If one tire spins then the other side will not be locked like in a posi. Diff Lock: Located in the rear diif only, is option on Kei trucks. Locks rear diff solid with no slippage. Basicly with Diff Lock engaged you have one solid axle in the back. To answer your question: Yes, if you can't find a truck with diff lock then equiping it with these LSD kits would be every bit as good or better especially if you do front & rear diffs Good Luck finding a truck
Thanks for the reply.I guess dif lock with one of these limited slip kits in front would be the best then?What do you think about welding up front and rear?If its mainly for bush wacking/hunting/and rock crawling?
Welding not a good idea, on the front you wouldn't be able to turn and on the rear you would quickly tear the crap out of your tires IMO. Afterwards you would probably want to change back but it's not like you can run to the first auto wrecker to pick up a couple of diffs.
I have two people who said they were going to send me a 2000 Suz. rear diff. carrier to get the sizes, but I haven't received either one. I can make one as soon as I can get the sizes. If you want to call me - 205 755-4094 Allan
I have a couple thoughts/questions....maybe they have been addressed and I have overlooked...? And am not meaning to critique anyone... Wouldn't it be better to show how the kits work with slow tire speed ? Can you take a truck with a kit, one without, hook a log chain to them, put them in low lock and have a tug of war? Or hook them to a tree in low lock and show how the tires grab and dont grab? Wouldnt this show the true effectiveness of the lockers....instead of spinning the tires real fast? My truck does not have a locker but I can make both back tires spin when I "get on it".... but not in realistic working conditions - i.e. under a load, crawling around.... Just some thoughts I had.....
