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Dodge neon 2.0/ 3 speed Auto/ Carry

Discussion in 'Performance' started by Little Digger, Aug 13, 2011.

  1. greg0187

    greg0187 Moderator Staff Member

    Nice! although Im enjoying the fall weather and not ready for snow at all!
     
  2. Ironraven

    Ironraven Active Member

    Yeah, me either. I still need to finish my front end so I my plow mount is sturdy... maybe this weekend...
     
  3. Little Digger

    Little Digger Member

    I wasn't hunting just out to play in the first snow of the year. I am trying to find a way to get the track's on the jeep axles, it's going to require a machine shop and more money than my allowance the wifey gives me!
     
  4. Little Digger

    Little Digger Member

    Ok, I haven't updated this thread for a while. I moved the fuel pump to the inside of the fuel tank, I used the pump from the Neon. It was just the right size to fit in the sending unit flange. The pump is a lot quieter now, and I think it will end the heating problem it was having. I am also going to change the axle gearing, Going from 4.27 to 2.73 gears. It will add about 10 MPH,[ @ 2,500 RPM/ 27.3 MPH] it's not going to haul the mail but it will help with fuel mileage and still have low gearing. I am going to install a rear steer gauge, { thanks for your thoughts Spaner & Greg !! } It will go good with the Trans temp and Hyd oil temp gauges i am going to install. I have also got a lock right locker for the front axle, I have wanted a locker for the front from the first year I got the truck. If it's like my Jeep it will make a big difference. I am going to wait till after my son gets home on leave, He has been on a boat for 10 months [ USMC ] and wanted to go for a ride in the mountains when he gets here. So far the truck has been vary reliable and has done every thing I wanted it to do. Some day I will get some video of the truck doing its thing, till then here's a snow pix. White River @ about 7,000 ft. Dragging axles in the white stuff. :)
     

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  5. Acerguy

    Acerguy Moderator Staff Member

    I love this thread. And I'm still laughing about this sentence in your first post! :D

     
  6. Little Digger

    Little Digger Member

    Thanks Acerguy, The rear steer makes me chuckle EVERY time I use it!! Going sideways down the road is just wrong!!!! :eek:
     
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  7. greg0187

    greg0187 Moderator Staff Member

    Congrats on finding the gears. That 10mph is going to make a huge difference!

    I still need to figure out what my speed/rpm is. Im a little worried about the skid steer tires and going fast with them. Their max speed is only 5mph and they get flat spots really bad! As soon as my friend gets his CJ going again I am going to mount them to it as a test to see if thats where most of my drivability problems are coming from. If it is then its Allied beadlocks and super swampers!

    What kind of tires are you running? Do you like them?

    Where did you source the gears from? new? used?
     
  8. Little Digger

    Little Digger Member

    Greg; The tires are BKT 7/ 16. 4 ply, for the front of a small tractor. They get flat spots too, and my biggest problem is they lose air setting. I had to put tubes in them. I haven't run them on the road much but they seem to be ok. If I had it to do over I would get the swamper Irock, I have them on my Jeep, 41/14.50/15. They are only a 4 ply sidewall. So maybe the TSL, but I don't think they are a radial. The skidsteer tires have a vary high load rating. Bullet proof YES, but not a vary good ride on rock and I think a vary hard rubber compound. My truck has good manners on the road, as far as turning, the full hydo steering is a little different, but my max speed has only been about 30 MPH lol. My Jeep is kind the same way, the full hydo steer is different on the road, I have the same PSC double ended ram. The lockers can have some vary bad manners on asphalt, but I don't have experience with the Lock Right's yet. The gears are used, $100.00 a set. {Off-Road Motorsports 800-686-3478 Scott] he said he had more set's too. I wasn't able to find anything new for that gear ratio. I had to change the carrier's, there is a change at 3.77 to 3.55 so that cost a little more.
     
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  9. Little Digger

    Little Digger Member

    Well it's been a while. I haven't updated this thread. I have been driving the wheels off this truck. I got the 2.73 gears in the axles and the Lockright locker in the front axle. The taller gears helped, its still not a race car but on the dirt mountain roads its ok. I love the locker in the front axle. It is quiet and not even noticeable at all. I have put thousands of miles on the truck and have not had any problems. Took it on the hunts this year and had a blast. I still want to change the leaf springs. I am thinking a 3 link with coils and track bar. Right now I am working on putting the track's on.:pop:
     
  10. Acerguy

    Acerguy Moderator Staff Member

    Nice to hear an update!
     
  11. spaner

    spaner Well-Known Member

    Bout time..:)

    What gismo are you and greg using for the hydo steering? At the wheel, or on the floor; I've seen on greg's.
    My dad wants to know, cu'z he wants to put the power guts from a neon onto his gogo-gadget tractor.
    Something I can order off the net for him?
     
  12. Little Digger

    Little Digger Member

    spaner Go to PSC Motor sports click full hydraulic steering; left side of screen click steering valves. you can find orbital valves on most tractors and construction equipment. the orbital valve I used came from a John Deer grader. I was able to use the Neon steering pump but needed to make a larger oil tank. I also used a trans cooler in the return line to keep temps down. On my Jeep with the PSC full hyd steering I installed a oil filter in the return line. I was able to find every thing needed for the carry used so not much money needed to get it going. The oil cooler is a must have, the oil will get hot !! So far the front and rear steering have worked good with NO problems.;) Let me know if I can help in any way.
     
  13. Little Digger

    Little Digger Member

    Spaner; the first pix are the orbital valve in the Carry mounted under the floor, it is a vary tight fit. The next pix is the orbital valve in the Jeep. The last one is the Carry showing the valve under the floor. The Sorry crappy phone pix:frustration: kei truck 178.jpg kei truck 177.jpg
     

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  14. spaner

    spaner Well-Known Member

    Thanks, I pass on the info and see what he wants to do..:)
     
  15. greg0187

    greg0187 Moderator Staff Member

    Good to hear its treating you well. Same here with the lock-right. Makes no noise whatsoever.

    I got my steering valve from PSC as well. Just wish the darn things weren't so expensive.

    Spaner, If your dad goes this route do a lot of research on hydraulic steering design before you buy anything. Use the calculators for volume/flow etc. Don't want to end up with extemely low or high amount of turns lock to lock. :D
     
  16. spaner

    spaner Well-Known Member

    Thanks guys,
    Yea, he knows a lot about hydo stuff, he's always messing with it, but never steering. He said princess auto had some kind of lever action valve he was going to use, and I tool him that I was pretty sure that there was a specific valve designed for hydro steering. Saw the calc dividing volume as well, with the rack, probly the 160cc, ($250 seems a lot to him) but after all that he said that he knew where there was an old forklift parked for parts, he may just pull that rear orbital.
    He works at his own pace, so I'll keep you posted, he'll probly try to get that valve on a trade...:eek:
     
  17. Little Digger

    Little Digger Member

    I was amazed at all the different orbital valves. And ya they are pricy. The hand valve for the rear steer works vary good. on some trails I leave the front steering at center and use the rear steer: feels like a boat :D The rear steer is :cool:
     
  18. Little Digger

    Little Digger Member

    Ok I have been thinking to much :frustration:. I have been looking at the tracks and just don't think the Mattracks are going to ever do what I want soooooo:eek:. I have been looking at all the tracks on the web and I think I have a plan. I will try to make this a low buck build but a lot of this stuff I don't have around the yard. I found 4 tracks for $550 and started this build:rolleyes:. I found somewhere snow cat's need to be around .5 psi to stay on top of the snow. Looking at the Mattracks on the carry; foot print, 26" x 11" x 4 = 1,072 sq in. gvw with track's 2,400 lbs. 2,400 lbs / 1,072sq in = 2.23 psi. Ya that's not going to float much. so here's the plan, with the snowmobile tracks ; foot print 47" x 15" x 4 = 2,820 sq in. 2400 lbs / 2,820 sq in = 0.85 psi. I think I did that right. Anyway I plan to build something like the old una track, and the American truck track. I am going with the sprocket drive and the caster wheels under the drum to carry the weight like the Una track, but will go with slider's [ hifax ] and wheel caster's, kinda like the American Truck track. This is going to take some time to build so :pop:stay tuned. O ya any thoughts you all might have let's hear it !! kei truck 189.jpg kei truck 188.jpg kei truck 185.jpg kei truck 186.jpg
     
  19. greg0187

    greg0187 Moderator Staff Member

    That sounds like a fun project! Wish I could help! Might need to start a new thread for this.
     
  20. Little Digger

    Little Digger Member

    kei truck 207.jpg kei truck 206.jpg kei truck 205.jpg kei truck 204.jpg kei truck 191.jpg I thought you all might like to see what changes I have made to the Carry. I have wanted to get tracks back on now that the little truck has more power and a lot better gearing, but I haven't had much luck getting a machine shop to build the spacers to mount the Mattracks to the Cj 5 axles. I took one of the tracks and a hub to them so they could see what I needed them to build. They told me that they had a lot of work in front of them and that they would get to them in about a month. The price would be about $500 each. So two months later I went to see if they had gotten to them yet. Well not yet!! I loaded up the parts and went home. Well I still wanted the Mattracks on the truck. Fifteen years ago I bought a 2 1/2 ton Army truck with a machine shop on the back. Took the box off the back of the truck and sold the truck. A friend of mine wanted the gen set that was mounted in the box so I told him he could come get the box but I wanted the machine lathe. Well two months ago I went to see if he still had the lathe. Ya there it is just like I left it. Some how I got the thing in the back of my pickup by my self { that"s one heavy SOB !!! }. I didn't know A THING about a lathe, but I was determined to learn all I could. The Military uses something to coat metal for long term storage, and let me tell ya they had a lot of it!! This thing was covered. Well after two weeks and a lot of steel wool / brake cleaner and a lot of rubbing it is clean. Now off to the internet to see what the hell I need to make it work. Tooling, I don't have anything. so I sent for the tooling I thought I would need. Then bought a plasma cutter and a Good drill press. Ya now I am setup to build the spacers, If I just knew how to use the lathe!:frustration: Off to the internet. Long story short, I got them made. I have never done anything like this and I have learned so much. The tracks are so cool mounted on the truck. The first ride was kinda fun, I was the first one on top of the mountain this spring, mud and snow so no snowmobiles, 4 wheelers and trucks could not get over the deep wet snow drifts that blocked the road in spots. Ya not a track in front of me, the tracks love the mud and well the snow drifts were deep and soft. The Carry went threw anything I pointed it at. The deep slush snow drift's were the biggest challenge.the truck would sink in about a foot and took some power to keep moving, the truck just would not stop moving. The truck has plenty of power but in the wet snow it needed it! The pix show the anti rotation bracket's [ that was fun to make ! ] and the spacers to get over the locking hubs. The rear steer is cool with the tracks TOOOOOOO !!! Ok so now I am set to build the BIG TRACKS [ snow only ] :pop::pop::pop:
     

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