Discussion in 'Autozam' started by steve_nagoya, Nov 20, 2007.
can anyone finish the thought?
Carry is to zuki as GMC is to Chevy, as Mitsubishi Eclipse is to Eagle Talon and so on.
Who out there owns a "ZAM"?
We just sent one to a US client. Looks exactly like a Suzuki Carry.
Had a couple of them through here monthgs ago. Everthing was the same as a Suzuki carry except the name lables.
And the chassis numbers are similar, they go by DK rather than DB or DD as with the Carrys.
Yes the Scrum is the Carry under the Mazda badge.
Exactly the same truck except for the name.
Enjoy them both
The chassis numbers are very similar. I don't know why Mazda have them made by Suzuki...
Mazda has done that with several vehicles.
Mazda AZ1 is a suzuki product.
Mazda Titan is an Isuzu Product.
And for trivial bit of fun:
Most of you know the Toyota Matrix and Pontiac Vibe are the same vehicle.
But how about the Toyota Cavalier. Check it out! Why would toyota want to ruin their image selling cheap american junk?! Hahah In Canada we can import them in about 2 yrs.
Although I am a domestic-hater we are going to import a Toyota Cavalier for all the kids who want a RHD cavalier. (Oh, and you get a trunk lid liner, Leather steering wheel and a couple other special perks)
Glad you pointed that out. Note to self: Toto, Were not in Kansas anymore!
Jeez, maybe a guy should get one just for the sole purpose of taking it into the local Chevy dealer to mess with their version of reality
Hahaha that would be greatly entertaining! I would love to see the look on their faces....
Then zip over to the Toyota dealer too.
I gotta say I prefer a German car over Japanese but they are a very close second.
A cavalier is one of GM's "cheap" cars. You cannot dispute that fact. It is American, no dispute there. And, in a much shorter time period they become junk. Hey, dont get me wrong, there is lots of "Junk" from the japanese as well, it just takes a lot longer to become junk.
Up here a 92 Cavalier with 200,000KM is worth about $800. A 92 Civic with 200,000KM is still worth $4K. Obviously those people buying $4000 Civics are real stupid, OR there is that much more life in the Civic
My old 98 Chev Astro AWD would get 14MPG.
My 91 Delica gets almost 30MPG and again sells for twice as much. I am obviously stupid too eh?
But hey, its just my opinion.
If you wish to continue these discussions, we should take it to a private conversation off the board.
And I certainly didnt do any name calling. Thats a little overboard I would say, and I think an apology is in order.
Yeah, I Dissed your favorite car brand. Big deal.
Isnt John Deere american? Dont they have a side-by-side? You can get a cab and heater right? What kind of shape will it be in when its 16 years old? What kind of resale value is it going to have and what kind of life will be left in it?
Would be interesting to have some statistics on something like that.
You should like this, Its part of one of our help-wanted ads:
Mechanic : Mechanic who is not scared to work on something they have never seen before. This is no ordinary shop! In addition to regular mechanical work, 12V electrical accessories should be on your skill list. This would include stereo, security and most importantly, remote car starter installations. We can train if you need the skills, but you MUST be willing to learn in this department. Vehicles you will be working on: MiniBrutes, all import brands such as Honda, Nissan, Toyota, Etc. Some euro such as Benz, BMW, Porsche, etc. Not much domestic. If you are a chevy lover, this may not be the place for you.
Haha. I kinda though it was funny, but you know, its true. My Porsche/Benz/BMW guy right now wont touch Japanese or domestic. He "dont like them". And you can even take an imported Honda to the honda dealership and they may even refuse to work on your car. It has happened here.
For the most part, I think its just the unfamiliar. Also what you were raised with. I was raised on import vehicles, primarily inexpensive to buy, expensive to own Italian cars. (Fix It Again Tony) But oddly enough, my own italian car stint was very short. (Its probably because the Italian cars I want are quite far out of my financial means and got tired quick of repairing them all the time. )
So, we go one step down: German. Some nice affordable cars in this group. But the ones I like best are out of the budget too. Do keep some german stuff around once in a while.
Now down to Japanese: Wide selection of amazingly fuel efficient sporty performers. Unique, fun, reliable and economical to run, repair and maintain. Good resale. Something for every budget.
Big 3 - Largest service and parts network in North America. A wide selection of vehicles you cant get from the above. They do have some appealing (to me) models both past and present. The Fiero - A mid engine 2 seat roadster. Pretty cool in its day. The Cobalt SS Supercharged, The SRT-4 and even the Magnum are pretty cool units. Ford's Hybrid escape is cool too. The Ford GT, Pontiac Solstice, Saturn Sky, GMC Typhoon are vehicles of interest. But, as you can see, there is a trend here. Mypreference is for smaller lighter cars with great handling, great performance and good economy. (Ok, well Economy has nothing to do with the Italian or German Cars. Ha.)
Its just that there has always been a better selection of these types of cars from places other than North America. Of course any "displacement Junkie" is right at home with big-block Chevs and Fords. Of course their is no comparable thing from the Japanese market. ( I personally dislike the Corvette to a major degree, and really have no use for the classic muscle cars at all. )
Then British, Korean, Russian, Indian, and of course, Chinese. Hmmm I guess Canada SHOULD be in there somewhere. You know the Can-Am Spyder is pretty cool.
I dont meant to hit a sore spot, but there, I put my whole automobile hierarchy out for all to see.
My wife has a minty 92 Mustang 5.0 A msucle car right? 215ish HP stock. Only mod is equal length headers and suspension. I have a 92 Civic from Japan. Factory V-tec engine. Mods are muffler and suspension.
Mustang: 12 MPG on a good day. Heavy, rattly, but fairly quick.
Civic - 42MPG on a good day. Light, more quiet, and a rocket that beats the mustang in every comparison. (Regardless of drivers)
Those are some of my arguments. I own domestic junk, so I think I am allowed to call it as I see it.
And again, all just my opinion, to which of course, you are entitled.
92 mustang a muscle car ??
I got dizzy reading through your long post and trying to follow you.
I don't know were to start my reply so ill start with the 92 mustang.
I will admit that from about 90's models american cars and pickups are junk.
The reason for that is with import export laws the way they are america is at a big disadvantage on the world market. In the 90's american auto companies were trying to compete with japanese automakers and failed miserably.
Then about 98-99 dodge chrysler decided the heck with the japs lets start building american cars again. They did and I think dodge builds the best cars in the world right now if you compare them in there price category.
You cant compare a ferrari to a dodge dart and say ferrari builds a better car and american cars are junk.
Gm and Ford several years after followed chryslers lead and are now also building some of the best cars in the world.
I will admit the japs automobiles are durable and dependable but honestly I don't really like ridding around in a shoebox with a overgrown lawnmower engine and gocart wheels.
BTW im not a displacement Junkie my 4x4 dodge dually I pull my horse trailer with is lowered 2 1/2 inches.
They only reason I am putting alot of modifications on my mini truck is because in all reality they are not an off road vehicle.
You purchase a John deere atv you can take it anywhere and beat the hell out of it and it will run forever and believe me we beat the hell out of them.
We have tried polaris - honda - kawasaki ect 4 wheelers and we destroy them in about 1 - 2 years.
These mini trucks if you took them out without modifications the first thing that would happen is you would run a sage brush branch right through the radiator.
The next thing that would happen is you would take out the engine or transmission on a big rock.
Thats if you could even get were you wanted to go with the chicken **** go cart wheels that come on these.
In reality I paid about 4800 for mine its in good condition low miles.
In parts and labor I am going to have to put another 3000 into it to make it a true off road vehicle. The more I work on it the more I see how cheaply built it is. I can't even find a good solid place to mount a front or rear bumper in case I get it stuck and have to jerk it out with a pickup. It looks like I will rip the frame in half if I pull on it to hard. Did you realize the frame is mad out of metal that is just slightly thinker than sheet metal. I have rebuilt about 1/4 of the suspension so far.
This is an experament for me I wanted to try one because they were cheap.
But with all the work I have to put into it to make it an off road vehicle which most people selling them are advertising them as. Its not turning out to be so cheap.
I will give it a chance though I might be really happy with it but I have my doubts now after seeing the fine japanese craftsmanship that goes into these things lol.
Let you know in about 6 months after I have beat it around awhile.
Something I just found out:
John Deer Tractors we built by a Japanese company up until a few years ago. Many people I have been chatting with feel the JD tractors have gone downhill since the change. Not necessarily junk, just not as good as they used to be. (They sure don't make em like they used to) Not sure about the Gator's, but if you think a JD tractor is a great unit, then you secretly like Japanese items on another level.
And, I didnt realize Cavietta has disappeared till just now. Now we can't get into it any more.
maybe more fun would be ...
autozam is to suzuki as b4000 is to ford,as 1999 honda passport is to isuzu...
as Mercury Sable is to Ford Tore-a*s, as Chevy trailblazer is to Isuzu a*s-ender, as Ford cant-tour is to Mercury mistake.
This thread has gone on for entirely too long.
ya know...a lot of thought goes into the names of vehicles......mazda mpv stands for "multi passanger vehicle"....again with mazda...the glc stands for "great little car"....the list goes on and on.... but the best is FIAT....that stands for "fix it again tony"....lol
i used to drive a fiat 128A... i caught a lot of hell over that
fix it again tony
find italian auto technician
when i had my ford i got a lot of
f**ked over rebuilt dodge
fixed or repaired daily
f**cked on race day
flipped over russian dune buggy
factory ordered road disaster
f**cker only runs downhill
i should have stuck with the fiat!
A few more i found...
AMC=All Makes Combined
Pinto=Pyrotechnics Is Naturally The Object
MOPAR=Made Of Plastic And Rubber
Subaru=backwards U R A BUS
dodge - dead on date garauntee expired
pontiac - poor old newfie thinks its a cadillac
Chevrolet - Car Has Extensive Valve Rattle On Long Extended Trips
BMW - Bought My Wife
Honda - Hold On Not Done Accelerating
Acura- Asia's Curse Upon Rural America
BMW- Brings Me Women
Hyundai- Hope You Understand Nothing's Driveable And Inexpensive
Porsche- Proof of Rich Spoiled Children Having Everything
SAAB-Sad Attempt At Beauty
BMW-Bang My Wife
FORD- Flip Over Read Directions
DODGE- Dead On Demand Guaranteed Everytime
Honda: Had One, Never Did Again.
Audi: Always Unsafe Designs Implemented
Oldsmobile: Old Ladies Driving Slowly Make Others Behind Infuriatingly Late Everyday.
Saab: Swedish Automobiles Always Break
HONDA- How Oriental Nerds Destroy America
GMC - Garage Man's Companion
JEEP - Just Empty Every Pocket
LAMBORGHINI - Leave At Mechanic's And Break Out Running Gear, Hiking Is Now In
CITROEN - Car Is Thoroughly Rotten, Overhaul Every Night
VOLKSWAGEN - Vehicle Offers Loud Knocking Sounds, Will Always Generate Engine Noise
LOTUS: Lots Of Trouble, Usually Serious
My Philippine "OR/CR" says it is a Suzuki, but it carries a DK51T VIN number.
Only my steering wheel, that says Autozam, and my VIN knows the difference....lolol
Separate names with a comma.