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Suzuki carry / daihatsu hijet engine swap and entire vehicle-mods

Discussion in 'Performance' started by Jeremy47, Mar 22, 2017.

  1. Jeremy47

    Jeremy47 New Member

    Sorry for the dissapearance, i got rather carried away with a apprenticeship program at the college i got my GED at. (hopefully this apprenticeship can lead to some cash flow am i right? haha)
    anyway,i was working on my moms chevy HHR (its a rip-off of the PT-cruiser) and i foundout that its 2L engine (4cyclinder) is 260hp. and thats for the non turbocharged model. which is f**kin crazy IMHO.
    i was thinking that would be a great swap into a truck like this. a friend proposed a small block chevy LS with a blower and a turbo for all range torque,but thats a pretty big (size) investment.
    if possible i want a big engine,but not so big where i lose space to keep the 4wd and stuff of that nature. i dont mind swapping the pickup bed to use as a engine bay. hah that'd be a sight to see!

    let me know your thoughts,thanks!
    sincerely, the dude with a challenger as his profile pic even though his favorite car is the 5000hp DEVEL SIXTEEN.
     
  2. Tuskano

    Tuskano Member

    Damn internet ate my last post...

    That would be a interesting swap, lots of power coming from a 4 cylinder. Does it look like it would fit between the frame? Like you said, might have to sit it higher and loose bed space if it is too big and you are not planning to modify the frame itself. Not sure on the 4wd, as I am unsure if the transfer cases for them can handle that kind of power, but if you get it to all work then good for you. Also not sure if they can match up to your engine, but good if you can. How heavy is the engine? As heavy as the stock engine maybe?
     
  3. Jeremy47

    Jeremy47 New Member

    i could replace the individual systems (replace trans,transfer case,rotors+brakes,drive axle's,stuff like that)
    i was mis-informed. the non turbo model makes 150hp. but thats still pretty good,it makes 162lb-ft of torque and is a DOHC. 2.2l. turbo model is a standard 2l
    and the engine weight is maybe 300-400lbs. its a light lil thing. but im pretty sure im way too high on that number though.
    im pretty decent with a welder and a grinder. if i findout that the stock systems are good enough (Aside from trans,as that probably wont even mount the 2.2l) i'll keep it and build adapters to work.
    i can also take the gears out of say the transfer case and have them measured and CNC milled out of hardened steel,something that would hold up to even a 600hp LS engine. tooling and machining is what i'll be doing at the apprenticeship,and its a pretty big business in rockford, IL.
    now all i have to do is buy the truck,and fully decide what i want to do as far as the engine and power is concerned.
    maybe keep the stock engine but get a centrifigul supercharger+single turbo? that oughta be decent. of course upgrading internals as far as i could.
     
  4. Tuskano

    Tuskano Member

    Good luck if you get it all to work! Would be cool to maybe try turning it into a Awd system or something. I'll be looking forward to build threads if you get to doing any! Like I said in my first post, my truck is undergoing a na 13B rotary swap, so we'll see how everything goes. Using the rotary transmission for it too and deleting the whole 4wd system.
     
  5. Jeremy47

    Jeremy47 New Member

    ive thought about a 13b before. probably small turbocharged though for low end power. you think the 13b would be able to fit and still keep 4wd?
    edit: i really like 4wd lol. helps to go offroad,my city is raining 24/7 in summer and snows 24/7 in winter. no idea how. very muddy,terrible for car guys lol!
    also is awesome especially to do 4wd burnouts haha
     
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  6. mr.mindless

    mr.mindless Member

    2.2 ecotech in the HHR is 143hp.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GM_Ecotec_engine#L61

    I think the only n/a 4 banger with power like that is the Honda S2000's F20C, which held some power records when it was released.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_F20C_engine

    You will have all sorts of clearance problems to sort out with ANY larger motor and trans. If you're asking the question, I don't think you're far enough down the road to be able to know the answer.

    A little realism rain on your parade:
    4x4 requires a tcase, which I think on most of these minis is integrated into the trans.
    you're looking at putting in a front wheel drive motor that's MUCH larger and more powerful. It would probably destroy the stock transmission and tcase in very short order.
    most automotive parts we have stateside are huge by comparison to these things. Maybe Samurai parts could be made to work, but having enough length for drivelines is very difficult. A too-long transmission output on a FOG 5sp curtailed my first engine swap plan (Pinto 2.3). I've been gathering parts for a swap using a transaxle transmission. If I ever get it started I'll be sharing the build here.
     
  7. Jeremy47

    Jeremy47 New Member

    swapping the stock 40hp engine to a 140hp engine either way would be so powerful it'd probably rip the stock trans apart. im HIGHLY doubting it will even be compatile. so i know i'd need to change the systems on that. m now more considering just t-charging or s-charging the stock engine with maybe a really small shot of nitro (like gokart sized)
     
  8. Tuskano

    Tuskano Member

    NA engine here. Full truck should be light enough that with it being more high end it would still be ok. Test drove the RX7 that had the engine all in it and it drove just fine.

    Nope, with me keeping with the Mazda tranny, it is twice as long as stock and has no place for any sort of T-case. I have mostly stuck with the 2wd mode on mine as 95% of the time I am on a paved road anyways. It rains a lot in WA, but not enough for me to worry about loosing my roads.

    4wd burnouts would be pretty crazy. Now... if you wanted to try for something unique, you could always try two motorcycle engines side-by-side but facing different directions. Tuned the same and giving fulltime awd. I had thought that before, although may be harder that other swaps.
     

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  9. mr.mindless

    mr.mindless Member

    That looks like an awesome setup, and just enough driveshaft space.
    I never had thought about a rotory, idea for short overall engine length. I hope you can keep it cool enough, interested to see the longer term results on that.

    I may be picking up my engine donor tonight. Going to test drive a 114hp donor car today. Way more electronics than I was hoping for, I'll have to see how ambitious I'm feeling. I may end up with a full Volkswagen in a Mitsu frame and keep ALL the electronics. I need to decide if the cool factor of early 2000's switch gear is worth the hassle or if I want to do the minimum necessary to get gauges and a running engine. Finding an old 8v or 16v 2.0 hasn't been working out since they're LONG since rusted away to nothing.
     
  10. Tuskano

    Tuskano Member

    I think the mechanic had took the stock driveshaft to a specialty shop to have a shorter one made. Going to have like a foot long drive shaft which is still good. But yes, plans for an external oil cooler and radiator. I think it should be able to stay cool enough. Going to also end up using the wiring harness off from the RX7 and swap the gas tank to a baffled one that can work with fuel injection.

    I know a lot of the electronics that the RX7 would have might end up being deleted once it all goes in the Hijet. The good news we found was the Hijet speedometer fits with the Mazda transmission lol.

    Have fun with the donor car! I know with mine, I am trying to keep with the stock gauges and just put a rpm gauge on the dash or something. But I know with the setup I have been going for, the shift assembly will have to be something custom, being the shift link is all the way in the back. And seats will be higher.
     

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  11. KCCats

    KCCats Member

    You know these trucks are only about 40 hp right?
    The Acrtic Cat non turbo is 80hp and the turbo version is 124!
     
  12. Tuskano

    Tuskano Member

    Yes sir, I know it well. Daily driven mine since 2014ish. Doesn't mean we can go crazy and remove the engines for something bigger.
     
  13. KCCats

    KCCats Member

    Believe me you are preaching to the choir! I have a 10 second 1/4 mile snowmobile that is the most stock thing I own!
    I have another sled with over $20k invested!
    What I am asking is, on a daily driver truck on the Highway, what is enough HP to run 14" tires and maintain 70mph!
    Would 80 HP in stock trim, do it?
    The next question is what kind of fuel mileage?
     
  14. Tuskano

    Tuskano Member

    Fast snowmobile there. Nothing of mine is stock, including my 3 scooters haha. For a daily truck, to maintain 70mph, I am sure stock would still work. I have 13inch alloy rims and can do 73... just like all kei trucks don't expect to get to that speed fast.

    Fuel mileage, I have been getting 25 or so around town, and 30 or so on the highway with the stock 660cc enigne. But with the engine swap, that should change a lot. Hopefully will also get a bigger gas tank to help weigh down the rear.
     
  15. KCCats

    KCCats Member

    My best top speed is still 64.8 on GPS!
    I have an S10 tank to add soon?
    But I should have been saying the height of the tires.
    My 13 are like 22" tall, from the stock 21?
    I want to go to 24" daily drivers and 30" mudders!
     
  16. Tuskano

    Tuskano Member

    Nice! Yea, bigger tires would mean it would be slower, or have to go faster to obtain the speed it was able to get from before.
     
  17. KCCats

    KCCats Member

    Taller tires gives more ground clearance and can lower the engines RPM for the same speed!
    The problem is it doesn't have enough hp to pull the taller tires!
    That's why I am in search for more HP!
     
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  18. Jeremy47

    Jeremy47 New Member

    a centrifgul supercharger is not a hard thing to implement. albeit a bit expensive,its still cheaper than a new engine. and aslong as you have it lined up with the belt correctly you could put it on any part of the front of the engine. and bost is only limited by how you size the pulley on the s'charger.
    imagine a turbocharger,without the exhuast part,and a pulley connecting to the intake compresser and that a centriful supercharger. they make more power than a roots and are alot smaller and easier to implement.[​IMG]
    aslong as you have an intercooler between the charger and the engine (to keep air temp down and thus cylinder temps...leading to less booms) and to also aid in more power,you could also implement a blow off valve to make sure boost doesnt go over a certain amount. say if the stock engine with the turbo takes 6psi (idk what the number is but lets put it at 6 for example's sake) then i personally would set it to 5.5psi

    im very heavily leaned to charging a engine becuase its cheaper and honestly more fun to implement. especially a turbo (since when the turbo-lag gets overcome and starts kicking in making huge power is a bit of a unsurity.)

    on my gokart im swapping the 6.5hp(212cc) engine for a 25hp 460cc "big block",only becuase the stock engine that was on it (which had loads of high compression and oither aftermarket parts) blew a head bolt inside the block. and with the 25hp i was going to rig up a bypass system on a sized turbo (the turbo i want would be a PERFECT fit on the mini trucks,its sized from 100-650cc upto 9000rpm,after that its boost levels become a bit crazy and NEED a BOV.)
    making the exhuast basically a 1 into 2 system with a valve determining which way the air flows. if im feeling sporty it'll close 1 pipe and direct 100% air (or so,depending on how close i can get the valve to seal) and if im feeling casual just block off the turbo and direct the air out as normal. either situation both exhuast pipes would lead into a single muffler (1 into 2 into 1 design)
    dont steal my idea on that!!!

    http://www.ecotrons.com/products/small_engine_rhb31_vz21_turbocharger/
    thats the turbo i mentioned. its a very high quality clone of a standard motorycle type turbo. ive used them in the past on a few 10horse small engine diesels and they boosted all the way upto 30psi. engine blew after 42psi but made a whopping 30hp (i had also bored it by .0030" and decked it by .0050",which is why it scaled a little better) and that was at 5500rpm.
    i dont actually remember the engine model as it was a very impromptu thing where a friend had all the parts made for him but he had no mechanical knowledged whatsoever so he had me do the thing. (you know the type, spoiled kid with rich parents, only he was 28 and just had a really nice job doing programming for microsoft)

    TL:DR:
    supercharger or turbo are my reccomendation if you want more power without engine swap. turbo if you or someone you know can weld. supercharger if you dont.
    only issue with a centrifigul is sizing it and/or sizing the pulley. that,and needing a new belt.
    reccomended to get a cogged belt if trying to push over 12psi,they will slip if any moisture gets on them at those levels.

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  19. Jeremy47

    Jeremy47 New Member

    @KCCats, you think this site is reliable to get them from? https://www.grimports.com
    if it is i'll just order a few from there and try to make some money selling them to my locals. Rockford is a pretty big city,that and i could probably get some sales on a few at my moms other house in colorado. no shortness of wilderness there!
     
  20. Jeremy47

    Jeremy47 New Member

    ok this is random but here's a thought.
    the polaris rzr has a 110hp NA and a 168hp TURBOCHARGED (2diff models).
    925cc twin cylinder for the turbo model,and im pretty sure its the same for the non turbo.
    the 'zuki carry and the rzr are are both around the same weight and payload (rzr is 1500lbs and 750lb payload)
    the engines in terms of physical size i'd have to honestly say the rzr is probably a bit smaller and a bit lighter than the 660cc 3cyl offered by honda,daihatsu,and suzuki.

    this has me wondering. since im in the job market PURELY to buy a carry,trailer,and base model 168hp rzr....i would already have the rzr and the carry...if i did the measurements and it'd fit...anyone think i should order a "replacement" rzr engine (either one. turbo or non-turbo) and put it in the carry? THAT would be pretty badass.
    the engine would probably be right at home,since in the rzr it also has to move 4wd.

    only bad thing about that is the rzr is 24,000$ and the carry is at most 2000$ LOL. no issue to me though the rzr is f**kin perfect in my eyes.
     

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