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New York State and Mini trucks

Discussion in 'News and Site Support' started by H Privetts, Jan 4, 2020.

  1. mr.mindless

    mr.mindless Member

    Almost none of that is true unless things have changed since July. As I said, the ONE thing I don't know about is anything kei specific.
    Pennington County redid their website, and no longer has the out of state registration page on the treasurer's site that I was going to link, so perhaps something did change. Spend 15 minutes on the phone and check with them. I can also personally assure you that they have a very straightforward procedure for changing title to a motorhome.

    It's not okay in the eyes of NY (nor most any other state) since when you live here, vehicles you own must be registered here. SD doesn't care the address of the registrant. And they have no inspections.
     
  2. Lynx

    Lynx New Member

    I tried the tech number they have me but never had the time to wait my turn.
    Thinking of the option of registering as a slow moving vehicle.
    They regulate that pretty well though.
    Read you need some certificate of sorts from the manufacture. They raised the speed limit though....
    Also would it loose its value if I was to sell it to someone out of state that would want to drive it on road as a regular vehicle...?
    Still got some japanese gas in there. Shiii..
     
  3. matt167

    matt167 Active Member

    Montana is where everyone with supercars gets their vehicles registered. Not sure about JDM'S but their licensing is pretty leniant
     
  4. mr.mindless

    mr.mindless Member

    MT does require a local agent or mail forwarder, can't deal with their DMV direct as a nonresident like in SD
     
  5. Neilo

    Neilo New Member

    I'm in VT and have spoken with several people at the DMV. The lowest level gave me attitude, the higher ups said "Sure, what's the problem? Inspection might be a hassle, but that's not our dept."

    I still haven't registered the minitruck, but having registered all my rigs in VT for the past 40 years, here's what I've needed: Driver's license, money to pay the 6% use tax (sales tax) for rigs bought or brought in from out-of-state. A Bill of Sale. No title is required for anything older than ten years old. And a check, of course. :)

    Reg. fee runs about $60/year, slight discount for 2 year reg, easy renewal by mail. Offices are closed to walk-ins now, but they're open for mail registrations/renewals and phone calls. PITA for this particular problem, because they reject the application if you get one single thing wrong, and they don't tell you what it is. :-(

    Good Luck!
     
  6. Lynx

    Lynx New Member

    I Got through to an operator in Vermont DMV. He said kei truck are a no go in Vt.
    Also a reply from Albany:
    Peter B. Bernagozzi v. Mark J. F. Schroeder, Index No. 929-20, venued in Albany County Supreme Court.
    Is the the case with kei trucks and NY DMV.
    I tried to find the case with no luck.
    I didn't try much though.
     
  7. matt167

    matt167 Active Member

    You confuse people when you call it a Kei truck... It is a federally exempted imported motor vehicle. Vermont will probably push a registration out if you send it in with enough money on the purchase price ( tax revenue ) because that is what they do.

    NY just uses a BS clause to block them, but trucks still get through the system. Depends on who is on the desk in Albany that day
     
  8. Jigs-n-fixtures

    Jigs-n-fixtures Active Member

    A lot of the States wrote codes to explicitly disallow the title of, and licensure of the “Japanese Mini Trucks”, back in the 80s when various manufacturers were importing them as off highway vehicles, for landscape crews and similar onsite uses.

    To avoid the cost of having them smog certified, they imported them as off-highway vehicles which by Federal law, Had to be limited to 25-mph maximum speed. And, they really weren’t safe to drive on the street. In the mid to late eighties, they quit importing them.

    Now, we are trying to import vehicles designed for on roadway use, as used vehicle older than twenty-five years, which in most States would qualify them for collector plates.

    But the explicit restrictions for “Japanese Mini Trucks” remain on the books. and, legally in most states the newer imports can’t be licensed even though they are old enough to be exempt from all of the federal requirements.

    I’m in Idaho. I can’t title or license my 94-Hijet Truck. But I coul license a 94 Hijet Van. because the Van doesn’t meet the physical description of a mini truck enshrined in the law.

    I have Off Highway Vehicle plates on my truck, and the state law allows me to run it on any roadway, that isn’t a federal aid, state highway. I run all over town, and out to the woods with it. I ran out the State highway to the county dump last weekend with a 8-ft utility trailer full of trash. I had my rear light bar in flash mode, because I could only get up to 55 in the 65-mph zone. Highway patrol followed me to the turn off to the dump and pulled me over. Thought I was in trouble. Nope, he just wanted to check out the truck, and say thanks for driving safe.
     
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  9. matt167

    matt167 Active Member


    I've written on this in detail in the past.... The "Mini Truck Laws" are assigned to trucks imported for farm or low speed use. When you import it as a road vehicle legally, it does not apply to those laws. The hangup happens when a DMV interprets it incorrectly and you may or may not hit a road block there with it... Now if you can pass it through another state willing to title it ( Vermont ), then they should accept it free and clear..

    See on paper, the Vans and trucks will look exactly the same, you either tell them you have a "Mini Truck" or there is a pre vehicle inspection.
     
  10. milmor88

    milmor88 Member

    Has anybody done the vermont registration? My local dmv won't trade title for exportation certificate
     
  11. matt167

    matt167 Active Member

    Many have been titled through Vermont. I know of at least 5 around me that were. I sent paperwork to them for my JDM Jimny a week or so ago but don't expect it back for a couple weeks if I got everything on the forms right..

    You should not have to send in your export certificate. Just fill it out that a buddy sold it to you for the retail value of the vehicle and they shouldn't question it.. Send a check so in case for some reason they won't your not stuck with a money order

    If you do, use plate type Antique 03 code to save $53
     
  12. matt167

    matt167 Active Member

    I got my Vermont plates today for my Jimny, which is a Kei class vehicle. I did not send any import paperwork in at all, so I have ALL of the original documentation as well..

    I did cheat a little on mine and put Samurai/ Jimny as the model and used NADA for a JA Samurai but, you could put anything you want really. If it's enough or you provide a value for what it is aside from NADA like other local listings and the tax money is good enough, send it.
     
  13. Lynx

    Lynx New Member

    Wow great. I'm looking at the forms and instructions now.
    So you're saying mail the check with registration and Bill of sale form?
    No title ?, I guess since it doesn't exist yet.
    There is a form for Vin. verification ,for out of state, foreign country ... vehicles

    But I guess you had the correct amount on that check.... ?

    Wonder if I should put Jimney/samurai or DD51t / truck.

    Are you planning to register in N.Y. or keep the Vermont plates?

    Thanks for the info.
     
  14. matt167

    matt167 Active Member

    I skirted it by calling it a Samurai/ Jimny as a Samurai and a Jimny are the same on the outside and used the NADA value for a Samurai and I put the sale price a little higher than NADA on purpose.. However if the tax money is good enough, they will just process it I'm sure.. You could cheat as well, call it a 4x4 in the type, and put SAM as the vehicle model. The vin will match your truck but it will come up as a SAM on the title.

    And yeah, All I did was send a check in for the right amount ( tax at 6% + $23 antique reg fee ), the VD119 form and the bill of sale and odometer statements that were required.. Filled out as someone else sold it to me.
    IF you want to guarantee everything and put it down as a Carry, you can have your vin verified by a trooper or state official as long as it's sent in with identifying letterhead stating they are NYS officials, and we all know at least one police officer. then you can send it in as a DD51T Carry without question.. But you probably can do without the Vin verification and call it a Carry just the same. As long as there's enough tax money in it for them.

    I will end up putting it through to NYS. I probably would have tried in the first place except Covid happened. I spent a lot on the registration though so I might leave the VT plates for a while.. Tons of cars in my area have VT plates due to Title Services being the next town over from me, and they own a LOT of cars as well
     
  15. milmor88

    milmor88 Member

    Hey matt167, what year is the Jimny, I spoke with the George guy from http://www.titleservice.us/ and he had concern that a 2006 might be more difficult to get licensed. upload_2020-4-13_9-33-14.png
    Also see the picture attached from the website on everything required for used vehicle title. How did you get around the registation certificate requirement? Also your statement on vin verification and doing it without vin verification, when is it not required? I personally don't know any of the cops around where I live. Sorry for all the confusion and questions, I'm really wanting to get this dang thing licensed.
     
  16. matt167

    matt167 Active Member

    Has to be 25 years old to be legal in USA.. I just sent in the vd119 and the bill of sale and all was well. I saw that requirement but decided to try it anyway and it worked.. being only 14 years old. You will be SOL.
     
  17. milmor88

    milmor88 Member

    Crap say it ain't so....i wonder how there are so many newer ones running around then?
     
  18. mr.mindless

    mr.mindless Member

    If it's older than 25yr, it can just be a "car" theoretically (caveats covered above, and if first registration my understanding is that the import certificate has to show it hit US soil more than 25 years to the day after date of manufacture - just trying to register after 25 years I don't think is good enough)
    If it's newer than that, it has to be registered as a Low Speed Vehicle or Kei Truck law, which vary from state to state.
     
  19. matt167

    matt167 Active Member

    Exactly. Trucks newer on highways are using actual mini truck laws or are black market

    And, I'm actally pretty sure that they put that language in their site/ rules for newer vehicles than 25 years old. Since there are some vehicles that comply with EPA/ DOT ratings, or people have them converted to comply.. But 15 years or older as a rule with VT can be transferred by bill of sale only... It says " Previously Titled " which in Vermont is only 15 years or newer. If it's older than 25 years ( and ALL legal imports will be ) then it's bill of sale and VD119+ some money

    Since NY DMV is totally shut off right now, I'm contemplating sending in paperwork for my '85 Corvette so I can drive it. Where I would just send the VD119, Odometer verification and some money I don't need to send in the previous owners NY title and all will be well.
     
    Last edited: Apr 13, 2020
  20. milmor88

    milmor88 Member

    Yea, I don't think Nebraska cares on the 25 year thing, there is a bunch of people with new and newer ones around, but didn't know if Vermont did care. I also noticed it said the odometer disclosure isn't required for 2011 and older but probably good to do just to reassure them. Also did you get a title or just plates and registration? I had thought you could get plates and reg without vin inspection but needed the vin inspection for title. Sorry all seems to be more complicated then it needs to be.
     

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