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I signed it. "Drill here, Drill now, Pay Less"

Discussion in 'Mini Lounge' started by prdjim, Jun 11, 2008.

  1. prdjim

    prdjim Member

  2. TRAX and HORNS

    TRAX and HORNS Well-Known Member

    I worked in the Gulf of Mexico for 27 yrs. on drilling rigs. Dont no how many times I ask a geologist how much oil and gas is in the U.S. Plenty they said. Not just in the Gulf but off Florida, Calif, and boo coos in Alaska. Anwar is apox. 2,000,000 acres. All we need is less than 1% of that to drill on. Drill Drill Drill North South East West Drill Drill Drill
    That little bird will find some place else to pearch. ( Good thing thing I kept my stock)
  3. ace cutter

    ace cutter Member

    this is the bulldog offroad suzuki ,let me know what you think,
  4. ace cutter

    ace cutter Member

    well pictures went to gallery thought i had link set up ,still learning
  5. greg0187

    greg0187 Moderator Staff Member

    No offense but what does this have to do with this thread? I logged on on I think I saw five new posts in different threads and one new thread telling everyone to go look at the pics of your truck. I know your excited but one post is enough.

    Last edited: Jun 11, 2008
  6. zbadboy

    zbadboy Member

    China signed an agreement to explore for oil with Cuba. Were talking 60 miles off the coast of Florida where the Liberals won't allow us to drill. The writing is on the wall on the direction our country is headed.
  7. ace cutter

    ace cutter Member

    teenage son helping me with the picture downloading ,sorry,but only women bitch
  8. glenn

    glenn Member

    yup....checked out the link.....did you know that most of the imported oil to the US comes from here in Canada?.....yet we pay more at the pump than you do.....fair?:confused:

    I think the only solution is to try to use less.....we need to find other ways of using energy other than oil, coal and ethenol.....we need to ask more from the manufacturers to build more energy efficient vehicles especially from the big three right here in North America.

    Using our mini for work...we are using less fuel and helping the enviroment.. not that I'm just tooting my own horn....we should all try to use a little less...that's my two cents worth.....


    btw...greg.... how excited were you when you first got your truck?:p
  9. greg0187

    greg0187 Moderator Staff Member

    Wasn't trying to start anything, must be the "Teenage son" talking again. I'll talk back at ya when you grow up. ;) BTW Truck looks nice, looking forward to helping each other out.

    glenn...You better bet I was excited to get mine.

    No hard feelings. eh?
  10. glenn

    glenn Member

    yup...I was very excited when I got my mini too.....we're all friends here...

    btw greg...whats with the "eh" eh? you practicing "Canadian" for your trip?
    ....you bet! we still can spot you guys a mile away....Americans say "hey... how ya doing?" and Canadians say " how ya doing eh?"......and don't go too heavy on our beer....it's a little stronger than you are use to eh? lol

    glenn :D
  11. Acerguy

    Acerguy Moderator Staff Member

    I agree. We can drill all we want but eventually it (oil) WILL run out. And then where will we be? Better to get ready now. We could lead the world in setting an example for energy efficiency and productivity. But we're too busy whining about paying $4 a gallon for gas. Which is still less than I paid back in the 70's during the first "oil crisis" if you take inflation into account.
  12. prdjim

    prdjim Member

    Problem is...

    Conservation is Key to our future. Vehicles like mini's and alternative fuel vehicles should be embraced considering the amount of our Continent's wealth is being sent to despots like chavez and terrorists in the middle east.

    Mini Trucks are just as practical as drilling in our own dirt for energy, but neither are allowed. Energy/oil.... it's here! Mini Trucks... they're here! Can't make the most out of either.

    Common Denominator = (Politicians + ( Special interests X leftists))/American public's short attention span

  13. greg0187

    greg0187 Moderator Staff Member

    glenn..you don't miss a beat. I put the "eh" in just for you. eh? Practice makes perfect. You know, we have to play every now and then. Should I buy the Molson or what do you recommend? Last time I got the XXX and it was like drinking shine, but didn't taste as good, and you better bet some shine is going to make it across the border. Just to stay on topic...I can use it as high octane petrol and its cheaper than drillin'. How much for a case up there? OK....we're really off topic...my bad. PM me if you get a sec.

  14. Sorry Jim, but your formula is in error...:frustration:

    You completely left out the energy traders!!!!...Remember ENRON!!!....There are a LOT of TWO PERSON TRADES in the latest run up of oil futures...:rolleyes:

    Boy, I love a trading business without oversite...:D
  15. prdjim

    prdjim Member

    Energy traders are a derivative of special interests and short attention span....

    I used the short version of the formula here.

    Thanks for the correction. ( Feel free to write the corrected formula at your leisure) he he.

  16. Acerguy

    Acerguy Moderator Staff Member

    Oh yeah, let's blame "leftists" for everything. That's easy. Much easier than actually thinking. :sly:
  17. volkswagen50

    volkswagen50 Member

    Wasn't it a Conservative congress that passed Nafta and Cafta? Two pieces of legislation that dropped tarriffs (sometimes to nothing) on goods imported to this coutry, which shifted manufacturing jobs outside the country? If you want to know what the reason for expensive oil is, look to the flagging dollar. Oil is priced in dollars, worldwide. When dollars leave the country, in the form of imports and forgein investment, and are greater than exports and US overseas investment, we have a deficeit. The greater this number of dollars going out, the less that dollar is worth elswhere in the world.(Bigger supply with stagnant or shrinking demand= less value) The stronger the dollar, the lower the cost of oil. There's also China and India to consider. The formerly primitive backwaters of the world are now manufacturing powerhouses. Where do you think they got that idea? It worked wonders for us here in the states for many decades. But it took a LIBERAL President named CLINTON with a CONSERVATIVE congress with NEWT to pass this garbage that doomed textiles, automobiles and many other good to be made primarily outside the US. The idea at the time was that we would move "up market" with skills based jobs. Doesn't appear to panning out to well. Esp when the guy who should have the most skills, the President was a "C" student who ran TWO oil companies into the ground. And the Texas Rangers.:eek:

    Walmart is the 6th largest importer or Chinese goods in the world. They used to stress that they should sell US goods whenever possible, but when the founder Sam died, his greedy kin changed the formula to "most profitable"
    You want cheaper Oil? There are only took parts to a price equation, supply and demand. Supply is only going to grow slowely for oil, demand can shrink slowly as well.
    But we will also need a place to refine this oil we drill for everywhere. Almost forgot. There hasn't been a new refinery built in the US for 29 years. An increased oil demand with a stagnant processing capability means higher prices. Think it was the oil companies planning distant? Not likely. As much a everyone malignes them for their "exessive" prifits, (ain't that the point of AMERICA?) their profit margin hovers around 10% for the larger companies, while smaller ones, if you can call Sunoco (sun oil co) small are losing money.
    I have no problem drilling everywhere for oil. But I would like to see a specific density of oil platforms and drilling rigs. I don't want them everywhere, that's for sure.

    Both parties are to blame.

    If you look around, that refinery thing is the real bottleneck, not the arabs. Not the CEO's. China and India, while increasing oil use exponentialy, burn coal for most electricity. We're the Saudi Arabia of coal.
    My 2cents. I feel better
  18. prdjim

    prdjim Member

    I thought I blamed politicians(no party specified), special interests, leftists, and the public for not paying attention. Correct me if I'm wrong.

    If Environmental extremism isn't leftist, I'll eat my hat.


  19. Here is what comes out of one barrel of sweet crude...

    What Does One Barrel Of Crude Oil Make?

    - One barrel of crude oil contains 42 gallons
    - About 46% of each barrel of crude oil is refined into automobile gasoline
    - In the US and Canada an average of 3 gallons of crude oil are consumed per person each day
    - The US imports about 50% of its required crude oil and about 50% of that amount comes from OPEC countries

    Product Refined Gallons/Barrel
    Gasoline 19.3
    Distillate Fuel Oil (Inc. Home Heating and Diesel Fuel) 9.83
    Kerosene Type Jet Fuel 4.24
    Residual Fuel Oil 2.10
    Petroleum Coke 2.10
    Liquified Refinery Gases 1.89
    Still Gas 1.81
    Asphalt and Road Oil 1.13
    Petrochemical Feed Supplies 0.97
    Lubricants 0.46
    Kerosene 0.21
    Waxes 0.04
    Aviation Fuel 0.04
    Other Products 0.34
    Processing Gain 2.47
    Source: EIA March 2004 Data

    The downside of coal is that without scrubbers...CO and Hg get pumped into the air...:(
  20. volkswagen50

    volkswagen50 Member

    Prdjm, I wasn't addressing somthing you specificly wrote, so much as just saying how I felt about the subject. So no harm meant towards you, honestly sorry if you took it that way. That's why I don't use the quote box, it's too personal and easy to get in a spit and chew over something we really have little control over. Or were you talking to acerguy? Oh well.

    PaulChristenson, thank you for that load of info, that's great stuff. I agree about the scrubbers too. But that's only one of many downsides of coal, but you probobly know that too considering what else you talked about. Coal's ugly, but we've got it, they don't and in decades to come, we'll be doing alright because of it.

    But to get back to Jim, Extremism has a definition that changes from individual to individual. We've all got different ideas of what is too far. Environmental extremism is owned and built by the left. Sure. No arguement here. It's easy to say drill in Alaska, hey it's not in my backyard anyway. But if I do go to Alaska, it's not to see pollution, rampant destruction of natural beauty and wholesale use of drill rigs. Modern drilling IS far better than it was 25-30 years ago, and lightyears from the texas oil boom days. Todays is far more selective, safer for all, and less polluting. Once you destroy the environment, poison it with chemicals, it takes centuries for it to be back where it was. Drilling needs to be done carefully, in places where a bad spill will do far more harm than good. That's not extreme to me, others may argue different. Hey, that's America, right? I guess to me extremism is when someone says, "yes, always" or "no, never."
    Last edited: Jun 13, 2008
  21. ace cutter

    ace cutter Member

    you sent this to ace cutter instead of acerguy ,but i will comment also, drill,be carefull, use laser technology, or hydro technology ,recirculate and reclaim the run off find a way to use it (by product of drilling),surley some thing can be done i know a man in kentucky bvuilt a drill dug on his own property hit oil. now pump has been running for 20 years he sales for 85.00 dollaes a barrell and living large plus his fuel is free,less than700.00 dollars a year to run pump ,pipes it to one bin truck comes and gets oil every3 weeks check comes twice a month over 70.0000.00 yearly and its free
  22. volkswagen50

    volkswagen50 Member

    Kentucky? Californy is the place he ought to be. Swimmin pools, movie stars......
  23. glenn

    glenn Member

    Boy what a mouthful.......good points indeed......NAFTA has worked well for years until we included mexico....they have a little lower standard of living than both Canada and the US....did you know that in Cuba...they drive brand new GMC and Ford vehicles?...they drink Coka Cola and smoke American cigarettes?...isn't there a ban on American things going there?....they get this stuff from mexico......ya know I was in the US a few months ago shopping with my wife and I couldn't believe how many things are stamped "made in china/india"......If you have something cheap from china...the profit goes just to the top few in the company.....if that product is made in the US or Canada..it might cost a little more however, the higher cost is going to people in the local factory...from workers to repair staff to security guards to cleaning staff....these people will.....buy a home in your area, buy a car at the local dealer, buy food and clothes locally.....pay taxes and are part of your community.....we need a strong domestic market with blue collar workers to keep things rolling here instead of over there....I always look for the label to see if it is made in the US or Canada..price is not always first consideration......

    would you believe....back in the fifties....vw couldn't even give a dealership away? support for domestic vehicles was that strong...now you look at the serial number of vehicles and find the first digit give away the secret that lots of North American vehicles are made in mexico and brazil....

    btw....if these kei cars were made in North America...I would be first in line to buy the first two

    glenn,....that's MY two cents worth!!:)

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