Compliance inspection - Manitoba

All told not to bad....

The inspectors - 2 guys, 1.5 hours - were reasonable and interested in the truck and gave me advice on how to make it compliant - I left feeling pretty good about it.

Here's the lowdown:

Basically the lights (front signal/marker) plus amber reflector and red reflectors in the back (rear and sides)

Seat belts - I think early 90's imports should work but I have to check to see if mvss = fmvss = cmvss.

My Daytime driving lights don't have DOT approved lenses and I got a pair of toyota ones for $5 that I should be able to shave down to fit.

Brake hoses need DOT/SAE so I have to get 3 new hoses. I will take them off and go to Partsource and see which is a close fit and the least expensive so no real conundrum.

The tough one is the front signal/marker light. There is no reflector so that will have to be added (PA peel and stick) Otherwise I thought if I could by amber DOT flexible plastic I could remove the old and glue in new. There isn't any other obvious way to make it not look like crap. I looked at a few amber lenses from early 90s imports but nothing really close enough to fit.

Anyone know where I can get DOT front signal/marker lights?

By the way all RHD vehicles in MB are being called in for this inspection.

Good luck all and lets share that info!

 

Thanks for all that.

Are these just the things that were pointed out ?
I was told that they look closely at the exhaust for a CAT and muffler.

I also thought they wanted actual lights not just reflectors ( but good to know )

What about tires?
What about front and read glass?
Are yours already compliant ?

Here is a shot of what I used the first time for front markers.



They were a perfect fit.
They are LED's from Princess auto.

They work well, Look OK, fit good DOT marked

Glad it all went pretty good.
I hope mine goes as well when it happens.

Oh yea
Seatbelts -
Get them at Bucks Auto
I just grabbed a set out of a civic
They cost $5 for the pair

 

The glass was never mentioned - so must be fine. I chopped out the cat a few months ago because the BBQ light was on all the time. They "advised" that the pipe be fixed but it is not a fail because as a truck it is not under the passenger compartment.

 

What kills me is that They are targeting RHD vehicles

But NOBODY seems to worry about these guys on these new electric bicycles that look just like, and are the same size as a 50cc scooter

They have no plates
They have no helmets
Some are being driven by children on sidewalks( i guess because you can by them at walmart )

But I have seen these guys on the street
They can't do 50 kph, and yet they are weaving in and out of traffic
And even up on the sidewalk when they feel the need
Yea that's real safe!!

And don't even get me started about jerks parking in fire lanes at Walmart......

People are clearly openly breaking laws.....
gggggrrrrr!!!!!

 

Not that I want to cause any poop with your inspectors, but seeing as I will at some point be called in as well....

Usually they start with their own provincial standards, then defer to the national standards when it fits their needs

I remember hearing this about the brake hoses.... BUT
in reading the rules from transport canada and the safety sheet from mpic...
I am confused

I saw nowhere on the provincial forms that you have to have DOT markings on the brake lines

The transport canada rules are here

http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/roadsafety/safevehicles-mvstm_tsd-tsd-1060rev1_e-687.htm

And clearly state that you must have

At least one end fitting of a hydraulic brake hose assembly shall be etched, stamped or embossed with a designation at least 1.6 mm (one-sixteenth of an inch) high that identifies the manufacturer of the hose assembly

reading further

the labeling for AIR BRAKE lines HAD that you had to have DOT markings
but that part has been striked ( struck ? ) out


ALSO

Seatbelts - while it is easy to just go to the bone yard and grab the set for a few bucks, I just wanted to point out the specific wording on the national standards

http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/roadsafety/safevehicles-mvstm_tsd-tsd-2090rev0_e-777.htm

(j) Marking. Each seat belt assembly shall be permanently and legibly marked or labeled with year of manufacture, model, and name or trademark of manufacturer, distributor, or importer. A model shall consist of a single combination of webbing having a specific type of fiber weave and construction, and hardware having a specific design. Webbings of various colors may be included under the same model, but webbing of each color shall comply with the requirements for webbing in S4.2.


So there seems to be no requirement for DOT or cmvss markings there either

Curious, how long did they give you comply?
Is your truck still able to be driven ?
Or did they pull your plates until you comply?

 

I have 30 days to comply and drove the truck out of there. Had some good luck today with a "gasp!" knowledgeable parts person and am trying to track down toyota brake lines that will cross over.

 

aaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnnddddddddddd..............

who would this knowledgeable parts person be ??
and where might they work???

and why do you only have to replace 3 lines and not 4?

 

Just add another nail in the coffin

http://www.globalwinnipeg.com/Province+reducing+emissions+retiring+beaters/3611365/story.html


There are no real details yet
only what was on the news

Don't know if this means you can't sell a vehicle over that age limit or if it means that it can't be off the road ( uninsured )
or if it means that once it's written off it will be crushed
That is what they showed on the tv

 

Yes agree'd

Here is a link to a little more in depth article

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/local/province-helping-to-scrap-old-cars-104200209.html

I read something like this may be coming.....

Later on dealers will be banned from importing anything older than 1995

No mention of private sales

They can't stop a consumer from buying from a private individual ( yet )
Will they then stop that consumer from being able to register that newly purchased 1994 corolla ?

There will be some kind of exemption for classic cars but no mention of one for other imports

Funny how one of the board of directors at MPIC just happens to be the owner of one of the largest car dealers in our province.

A few more years and Big Brother will be telling us which brand new mini van each of HAS to buy based on our age, sex and race.

 

Their goal (mandate) is to get them (pre 1995 vehicles) off the road
So yes, they will be crushed
I am sure they will make it extremely difficult to do the buy back
When you do a buy back, you have to usually get a body integrity, and a safety inspection
Most local garages will NOT do a safety on a RHD vehicle here now
They have been warned that RHD will soon be banned
Then MPIC will call you in after the safety for a compliance inspection
Plus you have to pray you don't don't get caught buy the random roadside inspections
Because they seem to just do WHATEVER they want
Then dealers will soon be banned from importing the pre 1995 vehicles

If this were Vegas
I would fold and go home

 

BTW another note on compliance here

A buddy called nailed with the compliance inspection recently

one of the things he got nailed for for brake hoses

They HAD DOT on them
They were NEW

They made him change them anyway
They did not like the ENDS

They "suggested" he get them RE-MANUFACTURED at this specific shop
Over $100 per hose

UN FREAKIN BELIEVABLE!!!

 

Compliance Inspection passed

So went in today...and everything was alright! Guys were pretty laid back and only took about 15 minutes.

Brief rundown:

Seatbelts - tried to find some that fit and worked vertically - this was a failure. Ended up taking a Mazda seat belt out of the mechanism and threading it into the stock Daihatsu one. No problem as long as the belt has current CMVSS,FMVSS labelling. PS watch out htose suckers are spring loaded and a real pain to re-roll.

Reflectors - simple 2 red on the back bumper, 2 red on either side at the rear and 2 amber either side front - doesn't look too bad.

Running lights - Lenses from a early 90's nissan truck can be cut down to fit the stock Daihatsu orange lights in the bumper. Note: don't cut off the part that says DOT or you're screwed.

Front turn signal/marker - no luck finding a lens that fit or was close. Made a aluminium plate and mounted lights in it. As long as the lights are DOT you're good to go. I will remove these POSs and put the stock lights back in.

Brake hoses - Front hoses from a Pontiac Vibe fit the Daihatsu. They're about 1-2" too short but they work. You will have to cut the tang off the banjo fitting and cut a little piece off the caliper to get these hoses to fit. There maybe better fitting hoses but I found these at the autowrecker for $10 for the pair. (H620640)

Rear brake hose - number H36967 - no idea what its from but the fittings were correct and about an inch longer. Piston Ring found it for me.

I will get some pictures up soon.

 

How did you pass the provincial inspection in the first place without items such as the rear seat belts and daytime running lights? Sounds like your vehicle was targetted because the safety shop you brought it to wasn't legit.

 

If you read a little closer, the truck has daytime running lights but the lenses were not DOT. There are no rear seatbelts in most Hijets - cause there are only 2 seats. The safety was fine - the inspection had to do with North American standard compliance.

 

A lot of what I am reading in this post seems like BS. North american standards?? The vehicle is exempt from all federal standards. It only has to comply with the Manitoba highway traffic act which is pretty easy stuff.

This post is a disaster. Mpic wanting to scrap 15 year old wrecked accident vehicles has nothing to do with right hand drives or mini trucks.

 

Are you nuts??? Where are you getting this from. That is the most outrageous thing I've read on this board in a while.

 

You are "kind of" correct

The lines all kind of blur together

There are actually separate issues here

-----MPIC DOES want ALL 15 year old vehicles off the road-----
They cannot FORCE you to take your vehicle off the road (yet)
They will achieve this by....

* Attrition .....15 year old wrecked accident vehicles ..... scrapped
* Bribes .... turn in your 15 year old car ... get $400
* New laws ( no this is not MPIC ) no importation of vehicles older than 15 years

Federal law says ( at least as far as Japanese imports go ) the vehicle must be at least 15 years or older to be imported

Provincial ( new ) laws will not allow the import of vehicles 15 years or older

Guess which category mini trucks fall into ?

MPIC and ( it seems ) every other vehicle governing body in the country is trying very hard to ban right hand drive vehicles

So all or these are "separate" issues
But the lines between them are becoming more blurred

And while they may not be targeting mini trucks specifically
they end result will be the same

So I am not trying to argue with you
Just pointing out that this stuff is all designed for a purpose and from different angles

With this stuff used in combination
In a few years
There will be less and less older and right hand drive vehicles on the road

 

Now to your point about the safety / standards

Again, agreed, much of it IS BS

But not from those writing here

Federal standards, differ from provincial standards
Which are used for the safety inspection, which is TOTALLY different from a compliance inspection
Which can again be different from a roadside inspection

So the BS is that there seems to be no standards for the standards

You can import anything you want
But if you want to licence it to put it on the road
You must meet the Federal standards
It is in NO WAY exempt from all federal standards

At 15 years old, it is exempt from many CURRENT safety requirements
Like airbags for example

But it is expected to firstly comply with standards its era from 15 years ago
and then some basic safety standards such as daytime running lights

Then each province makes you comply with its own provincial standards
Which may or may not defer to federal standards

Each province has designated shops ( which are usually a garage or shop of some kind ) that does the inspection
They are "expected" to comply with the provincial standards

I don't know about other provinces
But here, you can still find people to do a safety for a pizza and a case of beer
That is slowly changing, and those guys are getting harder and harder to find
and I am not saying it is right either, but it happens, and MPIC knows it
also
in Manitoba, a safety inspection done in another province is accepted as "legal" here

So I can get a safety in BC, and its good here

MPIC cannot regulate those places

So this is where compliance inspections come into play

MPIC knows that there is BS everywhere
They can't control out of province BS
They can barely control the local BS

The only thing they can do is control it at an individual level
Which may or may not lead them to a shop here that they can control

They can call you in for an inspection any time they want
They can pull you over on the street for an inspection any time they want

They know that many of the "imports" are brought in and are not compliant with the provincial standards

So until such time as they adopt stricter standards
Like they do with commercial trucks that have to be safetied every year
This is how it will be

I have dealt with commercial trucks
and WOW what a racket that is

You could have 3 different shop do a safety on your truck and each one will come up with vastly different things that need to be fixed
The only constant is that it will cost a few thousand dollars to fix it

And there lies the entire problem

people

The rules are in place
The people read and "interpret" the rules
If a rule need clarification, you could not get the same answer twice even from those that are supposed to enforce the rules

Some people will go by the WORD of the law
Some will go by the INTENT of the law

Example, DOT lights
All that matters here, is that there is a DOT marking on the lens ( and that the light works )
Nothing else matters
Because they are taking the WORD of the law of a certain section of the federal standard and using it as their baseline

No one cares whether or not the BULB is DOT
No one cares that you may have melted, shaved, cut, or otherwise modified the lens to fit
as long as it says DOT

No one cares that by the federal standards, the European safety markings are acceptable
Because they just choose to ignore that part

Same goes for brake lines
They can 10 years old
but as long as they say DOT
They are ok

I could have braided steel lines that are a thousand times more safe and made to way higher standards
But because they dont have DOT on them
They are ruled illegal

This should be a case where the INTENT of the law should be that if they are of a higher standard than that of a DOT line then they should be acceptable
But this is not the case

So yea
There is a lot of BS going on here

 

I think it has something to do who controls the oil and therefore the $$
But that's just a conspiracy theory

Personally I would not at all be opposed to owning a EV or a hybrid

As long as it was even SOMEWHAT close to what a regular engine is like

But so far from what I have seen, they are still generations away from a USEFUL vehicle

A prius get what... about 50 mpg .. woo hoo big fart!
So if you subtract the electric motor - it might get what .... 35.....40??

Chevy makes a hybrid Tahoe suv
It gets 21mpg..... which is double what a regular one gets
But it costs $80 grand !!!

Yea so far I think us here are doing the ultimate for the planet ( thinking green )

We are recycling by buying used
Instead of gilling up scrap yards

This also reduces the carbon footprint because there is not a ton of energy and resources spent in order to produce more for us to consume

And they get great gas mileage

Plus I didn't need to spend 30 k get buy one

So good for the economy, good for the planet
WTF??

And yet "they" want vehicles of this kind off the road

So I can go pay 40 grand for a 400 hp trophy truck that gets 10mpg
Yea thats green :frustration:

In England where gas is $10 a gallon
they don't drive dodge rams, chevy tahoe's

guess what they drive???

 

Wow, you must have a lot of time on your hands to write such as big story. Everything you have posted, besides the thing about the 15 year old wrecks being taken off the road, are basically rumors that have been circulating for many years. Please stop the fear mongering, it doesnt help the mini truck community.

 

Pretty obvious you don't live in this province

NOTHING I have posted is a rumor
( I agree that they have been trying to do this for years )

Everything I posted is for informational purposes and much of it really only applies to our province, but it is not rumors

And if you think I am fear mongering, then you are just a crazy chicken

 

So if what you are saying is not rumour or speculation... then post links or news releases to back up your claims...

Again, the only thing you said that can can be substantiated is that MPIC will not be allowing salvagable status on 15 year old vehicles that have been written off (been in a bad accident) and go through their wreck auction. If the owner buys the vehicle back directly from MPIC after a big accident, then they have the right to put it back on the road.

Btw, this new rule that MPIC came up with was formulated by the big-time car dealers in Winnipeg. Frankly, it is a scam so they can sell more vehicles. Hard for the big-time dealerships to make a buck on vehicles priced from $3000 to $6000.

 

I absolutely agree
In fact one of the owners of the biggest dealerships sits on the board of directors of MPIC

what part would you like to see links to??

Please look earlier in the thread
-There is a link to the federal standards
feel free to read the entire thing

-There is NOT a link to provincial standards because MPIC does not post them
They made me buy a copy....sooner or later I will pdf it and post it

-There is no official "rule" yet about doing a safety on a RHD vehicle
But just try to get a safety done here
I have actually phone about 25 shops
NONE would touch it
be my guest and try

-compliance inspection AFTER the vehicle is safetied and on the road
well, thats what this thread is about

- the banning of imported vehicles
This was NOT an MPIC rule, but a provincial law that has yet to be enforced but and article I read ( but cannot remember where ) had said that they were planning to enforce it
link here to the law
http://web2.gov.mb.ca/bills/39-2/b015e.php#108.1

just for fun here is a recent discussion on a local forum
http://www.winnipegheights.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2836322


So sorry you crazy chicken, but this stuff is real
I don't like it any more than anyone else

please let me know if there are any other links you need to provide you with, cause google seems a little slow

 

Well I guess we have different interpretation of the situation.

Smooth sailing for me in Manitoba. Registered 2 mini truck today and tommorow bringing 1 in for safety. Never had any issues so far.