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AZ Support SB1464 Street use of Mini Trucks

Discussion in 'General Truck Info' started by stevert, Feb 12, 2008.

  1. b_eastep

    b_eastep Member

    i sure hope so. i was just on my way home and saw 87 for $3.90 a gallon. i therw up in my mouth a little.
     
  2. stevert

    stevert Member

    Senate Vote History
    SENATE FINAL READ: DATE AYES NAYS NV EXC EMER RFE 2/3 VOTE RESULT Vote Detail 06/03/08 10 16 4 0 Bill FAILED


    (NON VOTE)
    Albert Hale NV 3 Read
    Albert Hale NV SENATE CONCURRENCE FINAL READ

    Jake Flake NV SENATE CONCURRENCE FINAL READ
    Jake Flake NV 3 Read
    _________________________________________________________________
    (Solid No Votes)
    Barbara Leff N SENATE CONCURRENCE FINAL READ
    Barbara Leff N 3 Read

    Debbie McCune Davis N SENATE CONCURRENCE FINAL READ
    Debbie McCune Davis N 3 Read

    Jorge Luis Garcia N SENATE CONCURRENCE FINAL READ
    Jorge Luis Garcia N 3 Read

    Leah Landrum Taylor N 3 Read
    Leah Landrum Taylor N SENATE CONCURRENCE FINAL READ

    Meg Burton Cahill N SENATE CONCURRENCE FINAL READ
    Meg Burton Cahill N 3 Read

    Marsha Arzberger N SENATE CONCURRENCE FINAL READ
    Marsha Arzberger N 3 Read

    Richard Miranda N 3 Read
    Richard Miranda N SENATE CONCURRENCE FINAL READ

    Paula Aboud N 3 Read
    Paula Aboud N SENATE CONCURRENCE FINAL READ

    _________________________________________________________________
    (YES TO NO VOTE)
    Amanda Aguirre N SENATE CONCURRENCE FINAL READ
    Amanda Aguirre Y 3 Read

    Ken Cheuvront N SENATE CONCURRENCE FINAL READ
    Ken Cheuvront Y 3 Read

    Linda Gray N SENATE CONCURRENCE FINAL READ
    Linda Gray Y 3 Read

    Jack W. Harper N SENATE CONCURRENCE FINAL READ
    Jack W. Harper Y 3 Read

    Ron Gould N SENATE CONCURRENCE FINAL READ
    Ron Gould Y 3 Read
    Ron Gould Y COMMITTEE vote
    ________________________________________________________________
    (NON VOTE TO NO VOTE)
    Rebecca Rios N SENATE CONCURRENCE FINAL READ
    Rebecca Rios NV 3 Read
    Rebecca Rios NV COMMITTEE vote

    Tom O'Halleran N SENATE CONCURRENCE FINAL READ
    Tom O'Halleran Y 3 Read

    Carolyn S. Allen N SENATE CONCURRENCE FINAL READ
    Carolyn S. Allen NV 3 Read

    _________________________________________________________________
    (NO VOTE TO NON VOTE)
    Charlene Pesquiera N 3 Read
    Charlene Pesquiera NV SENATE CONCURRENCE FINAL READ

    ________________________________________________________________
    (YES VOTE)
    Chuck Gray Y SENATE CONCURRENCE FINAL READ
    Chuck Gray Y 3 Read

    Jay Tibshraeny Y SENATE CONCURRENCE FINAL READ
    Jay Tibshraeny Y 3 Read

    Jim Waring Y 3 Read
    Jim Waring Y SENATE CONCURRENCE FINAL READ

    John Huppenthal Y 3 Read
    John Huppenthal Y SENATE CONCURRENCE FINAL READ

    Karen Johnson Y 3 Read
    Karen Johnson Y SENATE CONCURRENCE FINAL READ

    Pamela Gorman Y SENATE CONCURRENCE FINAL READ
    Pamela Gorman Y COMMITTEE vote
    Pamela Gorman Y3 Read

    Robert "Bob" Burns Y 3 Read
    Robert "Bob" Burns Y SENATE CONCURRENCE FINAL READ

    Robert Blendu Y 3 Read
    Robert Blendu Y SENATE CONCURRENCE FINAL READ
    Robert Blendu Y COMMITTEE vote

    Thayer Verschoor Y SENATE CONCURRENCE FINAL READ
    Thayer Verschoor Y3 Read

    Timothy S. Bee Y 3 Read
    Timothy S. Bee Y SENATE CONCURRENCE FINAL READ

    ________________________________________________________________
    (YES TO NON VOTE)
    Victor Soltero NV SENATE CONCURRENCE FINAL READ
    Victor Soltero Y COMMITTEE vote
    Victor Soltero Y 3 Read
     
  3. stevert

    stevert Member

    These are all the people that voted no on SB1464!!!

    Write, Call, Fax, Email these people asking why they didn't vote yes on 50mpg transportation when we are currently at $4.25 per gallon!!!!!

    Final Read in the Senate; however, Senator Gould, last minute
    switched his vote from yes to no which will allow him to bring this bill
    up for reconsideration, per Senate Rules.

    A suggestionfor the passage of this bill would be for you to call all of the "Nays" seeing if they will reconsider their votes. I have provided you with
    the phone numbers for the "No voters". THANKS to "Bruce from Tucson" for the info!

    NAY VOTERS

    Albert Hale ahale@azleg.gov 602-926-4323 FAX 417-3260 2nd District - Flagstaff - Navajo County & Apache County

    Amanda Aguirre aaguirre@azleg.gov 602-926-4139 FAX417-3184 24th District - Yuma County - La Paz County South

    Barbara Leff bleff@azleg.gov 602-926-4486 FAX417-3270 - 11th District - Phoenix East - Paradise Valley

    Carolyn S. Allen callen@azleg.gov 602-926-4480 FAX417-3155 8th District - Phoenix North-East - Scottsdale

    Charlene Pesquiera cpesquiera@azleg.gov 602-926-4326 FAX417-3259 26th District - Oro Valley - Catalina (Tucson North)

    Debbie McCune Davis dmccunedavis@azleg.gov 602-926-4485 FAX926-3429 - 14th District - Phoenix South Central

    Jack W. Harper jharper@azleg.gov 602-926-4178 FAX417-3154 - 4th District - Yavapai County South - Maricopa County North

    Jake Flake jflake@azleg.gov 602-926-5219 FAX417-3224 5th District - Gila County - Snowflake

    Jorge Luis Garcia jgarcia@azleg.gov 602-926-4171 FAX 417-3262 - 27th District Tucson West - Three Points

    Ken Cheuvront kcheuvront@azleg.gov 602-926-5325 FAX 417-3249 - 15th District - Phoenix South-East Central

    Leah Landrum Taylor llandrumtaylor@azleg.gov 602-926-3830 FAX417-3148 - 16th District - Phoenix South - Guadalupe

    Linda Gray lgray@azleg.gov 602-926-3376 4FAX17-3253 - 10th District - Phoenix North Central - Glendale

    Marsha Arzberger marzberger@azleg.gov 602-926-4321 FAX417-3146 - 25th District Pima County West - Cochise County

    Meg Burton Cahill mburtoncahill@azleg.gov 602-926-4124 FAX417-3017 - 17th District - Phoenix South-East - Tempe

    Paula Aboud paboud@azleg.gov 602-926-5262 FAX926-3429 District 28th District - Tucson North

    Rebecca Rios rrios@azleg.gov 602-926-5685 FAX417-3167 - 23rd District - Pinal County

    Richard Miranda rmiranda@azleg.gov 602-926-5911 FAX417-3171 - 13th District - Phoenix South-West - Tolleson

    Ron Gould rgould@azleg.gov 602-926-4138 FAX417-3265 - 3rd District - Mohave County - La Paz County N.

    Tom O'Halleran tohalleran@azleg.gov 602-926-5584 FAX417-3101 - 1st District - Prescott - Coconino County

    DISTRICTS THAT VOTED YES
    6th District - Phoenix North - Cave Creek
    7th District - Phoenix North-North-East - Carefree
    9th District - Phoenix North-West - Sun City - Peoria
    12th District - Phoenix West - Litchfield Park
    18th District - Mesa West (South-East outside Phoenix)
    19th District - Mesa East (South-East outside Phoenix)
    20th District - Phoenix South - Chandler West
    21st District - Chandler - Queen Creek (South-East Phoenix)
    22nd District - Gilbert - Mesa South - Gold Camp
    29th District - Tucson
    30th District - Green Valley ( Tucson Sth et East)
     
  4. stevert

    stevert Member

    MESSAGE I SENT TO ALL PEOPLE THAT VOTED NO!!!

    Message Subject: AZ Resident Please Help!

    SB1464 was a bill that would allow a vehicle mini truck that is similar to vehicles currently and legally on the road today in AZ. The only difference is that they also have Air Conditioning and get 50mpg!!!! In addition, NO MODIFICATIONS were required to get these mini trucks up to DOT and emission standards as they come equipped.

    Sadly, people will use legal, non Air conditioned vehicles for alternative, economical means of transportation will ride in hot harsh conditions due to your no vote!

    On the road in my city, many people use these vehicles for other means of transportation safely to include of PD, Sheriffs DP, City Maintenance, and the Fire Dept. It would have been nice to let them enjoy air conditioning @ 50mpg!

    The Environment would have been better off too!!!

    A 660cc motor puts out 1/10th the emissions my Nissan Titan 5.6L motor puts out as I need to drive a truck for work!

    Many in my city have been fallowing this bill as well as mini truck forums and state off road organizations with Everyone that Voted YES and those that voted NO.
    See for yourself at http://www.minitrucktalk.com/showthread.php?p=12889#post12889

    Please reconsider your vote! Many people will be getting the word out! Please Help us!

    Thank You!
     
  5. smoothstroke

    smoothstroke Member

    Friggin Politics!

    Stevert, Wrote to my Senator, Mr. Harper. Asked him to explain his no vote to me. Asked him to explain why you can tag a Tom Car or a Golf cart but not a mini truck. Will wait and see if I get a reply. Was looking good up until the end there. What are your chances of getting another vote on this? Terry
     
  6. stevert

    stevert Member

    Sen Harper wrote and said He is VOTING YES on the BILL. RON GOULD said IT was a political strategy to vote no.

    The Reconcideration Vote was a success!

    By writing to the Sen's... There was influence on No to YES Votes!!!!!

    So for those that Emailed, GOOD JOB!!!!! We NEED TO WRITE THESE PEOPLE THAT VOTE NO & urge them to PLEASE VOTE YES!!!!

    Explane why in we need a yes vote ie. 50mpg at $4.30 per Gallon. We need help!

    Write in Guys!! Show these Sen's that there ARE PEOPLE watching!!!!

    Albert Hale ahale@azleg.gov 602-926-4323 FAX 417-3260 2nd District - Flagstaff - Navajo County & Apache County

    Amanda Aguirre aaguirre@azleg.gov 602-926-4139 FAX417-3184 24th District - Yuma County - La Paz County South

    Barbara Leff bleff@azleg.gov 602-926-4486 FAX417-3270 - 11th District - Phoenix East - Paradise Valley

    Carolyn S. Allen callen@azleg.gov 602-926-4480 FAX417-3155 8th District - Phoenix North-East - Scottsdale

    Charlene Pesquiera cpesquiera@azleg.gov 602-926-4326 FAX417-3259 26th District - Oro Valley - Catalina (Tucson North)

    Debbie McCune Davis dmccunedavis@azleg.gov 602-926-4485 FAX926-3429 - 14th District - Phoenix South Central

    Jack W. Harper jharper@azleg.gov 602-926-4178 FAX417-3154 - 4th District - Yavapai County South - Maricopa County North

    Jake Flake jflake@azleg.gov 602-926-5219 FAX417-3224 5th District - Gila County - Snowflake

    Jorge Luis Garcia jgarcia@azleg.gov 602-926-4171 FAX 417-3262 - 27th District Tucson West - Three Points

    Ken Cheuvront kcheuvront@azleg.gov 602-926-5325 FAX 417-3249 - 15th District - Phoenix South-East Central

    Leah Landrum Taylor llandrumtaylor@azleg.gov 602-926-3830 FAX417-3148 - 16th District - Phoenix South - Guadalupe

    Linda Gray lgray@azleg.gov 602-926-3376 4FAX17-3253 - 10th District - Phoenix North Central - Glendale

    Marsha Arzberger marzberger@azleg.gov 602-926-4321 FAX417-3146 - 25th District Pima County West - Cochise County

    Meg Burton Cahill mburtoncahill@azleg.gov 602-926-4124 FAX417-3017 - 17th District - Phoenix South-East - Tempe

    Paula Aboud paboud@azleg.gov 602-926-5262 FAX926-3429 District 28th District - Tucson North

    Rebecca Rios rrios@azleg.gov 602-926-5685 FAX417-3167 - 23rd District - Pinal County

    Richard Miranda rmiranda@azleg.gov 602-926-5911 FAX417-3171 - 13th District - Phoenix South-West - Tolleson

    Ron Gould rgould@azleg.gov 602-926-4138 FAX417-3265 - 3rd District - Mohave County - La Paz County N.

    Tom O'Halleran tohalleran@azleg.gov 602-926-5584 FAX417-3101 - 1st District - Prescott - Coconino County
     
  7. stevert

    stevert Member

    Terry... If this fails session, Sen Ron Gould said we will be back a square 1. We well have to re-introduce this bill next session. So far however, things are still ok.

    Just get the word out to these guys and EMAIL the Heck out of them!!!!! Tell your friends and family to do you a favor and email these guys!!!

    Email, Email, Email Today! Call Call, Call Yesterday/TODAY!

    Kick up the dust on this one so it's in there face when call to vote arrives, They will remember SB1464 was a hot topic needing a Yes vote!

    Steve
     
  8. smoothstroke

    smoothstroke Member

    Emailed

    Steve, I sent them all an email individualy so they would know I took time out of my busy day to write each of them seperately. I hope they will consider the importance of this to so many people in thier communities. Hopefully all of us folks from AZ here on the forum will take time to write our Representatives. Good Luck Terry
     
  9. stevert

    stevert Member

    I got info from Sen Ron Goulds people that the ADEQ at (602) 771-2301 or (800) 234-5677 are asking about emmission air quality on these trucks.

    It may hamper votes he said.

    I told hime that these trucks come with catalytic converters. I told Ron's people that I will have one smog inspected.

    I live in Lake Havasu City AZ and we don't require smog so there are no smog stations in my area.

    I can trailer one 120miles to a smog station away but would rather find somone in an area that has smog stations in there are....

    So if anyone out there in AZ or in any other state has a chance to take one near where they live and get there truck smog inspected, I will pay you for the smog and gas!

    Pleas elet me know.

    Steve (928) 505-8378
     
  10. Mighty Milt

    Mighty Milt Moderator

    i had mine tested in my pursuit of registration before it was kicked back, let me know what info you want off the cert. maybe i can get it scanned and put into the computer for you to have all the info, the best part? my truck is OBD II compliant ;) which means their computers plug right into it to read all the dirty details :) it passed with flying colors
     
  11. topherztoyz

    topherztoyz Member

    My long time friend hosts a talk raido show on Sun nights here in Phx on AM raido 1100. Sen Ron Goulds was to be on the show last sun, but was a no show.. I talked, and emailed this link to my friend about this bill... .. My friend say yes.. email or call all the voting parties.
    My lil Daihatsu. is street legal here in Phx, Az.. maybe the only one..... it passed emmissions.
    Chris..
     
  12. stevert

    stevert Member

    LawnGasCaulk & topherztoyz...

    My Email is STEVERT@Frontiernet.Net
    My Fax is (928) 855-6515
    Phone (928) 505-8378

    Or Fax/Email

    Jack W. Harper jharper@azleg.gov 602-926-4178 FAX 602-417-3154
    Ron Gould rgould@azleg.gov 602-926-4138 FAX 602-417-3265

    Can you email or fax my what you got?

    I am taking two trucks to NEEDLE CA for Ca State Smog Check Sat 7 June. I spoke to the Smog station & they were very pleased to help and are also interested in if AZ has any luck with the MVD/DOT.

    If there is anyone out there that has a smog certificate and would be willing to send a copy my way from any state, it would be good ammunition against the difficult AZ MVD and the ADEQ!!!!

    Steve....
     
  13. Mighty Milt

    Mighty Milt Moderator

    steve,

    i've got networking and server problems i'm working through at the house, monday i'll get the design crew at work to scan my certs into the computer with the big super duper hi resolution scanner and send you a copy...
     
  14. stevert

    stevert Member

    LawnGasCaulk

    Thank You! It will Really help me with this issue!

    LawnGasCaulk, I just got a nice letter back from Sen Jack Flake.

    "Mr. Astorga:
    Not sure where you got your information on my vote on SB1464, but, unfortunately, I was out of state when this bill was voted the first time in March. When it came for final vote on June 3, I was at home after having just been thrown from a horse and breaking 8 ribs. The vote notation is marked with 3 categories -- AYES, NAYS, NV (not voting). I was marked in the last category.
    I have looked over the bill and see no reason that I would not have supported it. I note that a motion to reconsider has been made. If, at all, possible I will be available for the reconsideration and will support this legislation.
    Thank you for contacting me.
    Jake Flake"


    Cool People!
     
  15. zbadboy

    zbadboy Member

    Steve reply and ask him to convince others in the Senate to vote yes also!!!!
     
  16. stevert

    stevert Member

    Well Today I went to Needles Ca to smog my 2002 Suzuki Carry. The OBD port however would not link with the Stations computer. No big deal.

    The tech said the truck did excellent!

    @ 900rpm/2500rpm
    %Co2 15.4/15.1
    %o2 0.1/0.2

    HC
    Max 100/170
    Ave 17/13
    Meas 38/32

    Co%
    Max 1.0/1.0
    Ave 0.00/0.10
    Meas 0.00/0.03

    I don’t know what all that means but I’m sure the EPA/ADEQ of AZ won’t have any concerns after this!

    The Biggest Gov agency against Mini Trucks that but restrictor plates due to environmental concerns. Did they ever SMOG one is my question!!!!!

    I think the next fight should be with the EPA on these trucks, clean, environmental performance!

    Anyhow, does anyone else have a smog one there truck they can email me or fax? (928) 855-6515 or SteveRT@Frontiernet.Net I wish to send Sen Ron Gould for Senate Ammunition!

    Steve
    (928) 505-8378
     
  17. EastTexasMiniTrucks

    EastTexasMiniTrucks New Member

    Steve,
    I applaud your efforts! ...this is a great thread to read. I've been busy and hadn't scanned the forum in a couple months. I really hope this passes in AZ. Is it true that OK made them street legal? I have spoken to a couple of customers in OK and they said they were legal on the streets now! Really hope this catches on in Texas. I bet we get a dozen people email or call everyday asking if they can drive Mini's on the streets.

    Keep us posted!!!

    Thanks,
    Colin
     
  18. Gregkabob

    Gregkabob Member

    I live in Oklahoma and haven't seen any on the street yet. I was told the law goes into affect on 1 Nov. I waiting and ready to put the plates on it once they figure out what paperwork needs to be done to get a plate.
     
  19. b_eastep

    b_eastep Member

    will be legal in OK nov 1st. bill has been signed. there is a link to it here somewhere. i think its bill 1998 but im not sure.
     
  20. stevert

    stevert Member

    Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 7:58 PM
    To: Meg Burton Cahill
    Subject: SB1464 Venture Truck

    SB1464 Venture Truck
    It makes no sense why you would vote NO!!!

    I smog tested one of my trucks today and it PASSED with flying colors according to the smog tech who stated, “Excellent Results!”

    The People of Oklahoma had there version on Mini truck road use singed into law 30 April 2008 and takes effect 1 Nov 2008!!!

    See for yourself!

    http://www.sos.state.ok.us/documents/Legislation/51st/2008/2R/SB/1998.pdf

    Why would you vote no on a vehicle that will help us out at the pump getting 50mpg, passes smog inspection and has Air Conditioning and DOT Stickerd Windshields!!!

    Currently there are Yamaha Rhinos, Polaris Rangers and Kawasaki Mules on the road today with MV plates that HAVE NO SMOG EQUIPMENT, Plexiglass, non DOT approved windshields and no Air Conditioning or Heat!!! Yet you resist.

    Why do you vote no?


    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Meg Burton Cahill
    Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 11:58 AM
    Subject: RE: SB1464 Venture Truck

    This is the information which Senator Meg based her NO vote on:

    Venture trucks are Japanese mini-trucks manufactured before 1999, which are currently imported into the US as agricultural equipment. As such, they bypass the USDOT and EPA inspections. Concerns are as follows:

    -They do not meet USDOT safety standards.* -There are no ownership documents (neither title nor manufacturer certificate of origin).

    -They do not have VIN plates.

    -The potential for pollution is quite high; they likely cannot pass emissions standards in Maricopa, Pima and portions of Pinal counties.

    -They have relatively high mileage for such small engines (usually 30,000 to 50,000 miles).

    All of the large dealers in these vehicles display warnings on their websites that these are farm vehicles, not intended for road or highway usage.

    Only three states have classifications for these vehicles, and all three states classify them as off-highway slow-moving vehicles. Final best practice recommendations to states will not be available until next year, but working group members are leaning toward recommending that states not title or register these vehicles.

    *Under SB 1464, these vehicles are exempt from insurance, safety glass and mud flap requirements.

    Tita N. Triphahn

    Assistant to Senator Meg Burton-Cahill
    District 17
    1700 W. Washington
    Phoenix, AZ 85007
    (602) 926-5896


    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    My Answer Back to Sen Burton Cahill 9June08


    SB1464!!! Facts that you should know about before incorrectly vote!!!

    What or who are you protecting? What public has come out in protest against these trucks?

    1. These Japanese truck years imported are 1990-2007

    2. Imported as an offroad farm vehicle?
    The STATE of AZ allows Offroad vehicles that meet equipment guidelines to be used onroad. These are the same types of vehicles that City fire, PD and city maintenance use EXCEPT THESE trucks "HAVE" Smog controls, DOT GLASS, and AIR CONDITIONING!!! So you say to these people, No chance for AC in the hot summer months. Our CITY FIRE chief Chip Sholisky stated he has interest in these vehicles for his crew!

    3. No vin "Plate"? Nor do the ATC's, UTV's currently allowed on the road today. The People do want these vehicles! Why do you resist? 50mpg w/AC!

    4. Not likely to pass smog? What evidence do you have? Is this how you represent us? Decisions based on rumors? THEY DO PASS SMOG! I have the smog paperwork to prove they out smog the majority of vehicles on the road today! I can Fax, E-mail you or even hand deliver them personally!

    5. UTV's (Rhino's, Rangers, ATV's ect) currently on the road ARE WITHOUT SMOG EQUIPMENT! The mini trucks HAVE smog equipment!

    6. High mileage? They come 6,000 to 40,000 on average. This is no different than the used Japanese 36,000 motors that the EPA allows. What's the difference? Why is it a problem?

    7. Dealer web site warnings are because the EPA and there state law disallows them otherwise for street use. The truth is that ALL DEALERS would allow them to be street legal! Ask for yourself! The Dealers don't want trouble from the law if there are no laws that support street use. That is why they post warnings! There are dealers that have been investigated (Online Dealer accounts) by whistle blowers interested parties that do not want these trucks here for fear of competition! It is a money issue! Though not serving the publics interest is bad politics!

    8.Not intended for Street use? All UTV's, ATV's, Buggies STATE not intended for street use! Yet there on the street today thanks to our state congress!

    9. Three State Classifies these vehicles as slow moving? The state of OK signed into law Apr1,08 normal access to street use. N/S Dakota allow norm highway use as well. Only the state of TX classifies them as Slow moving vehicles.

    10. Exceptions from a. Insurance, b. Safety glass or c. mud flaps?
    a. Financial liability is a risk one takes if they cause an accident that dose not wave there personal liability to damages caused! Most like myself WOULD get insurance! Is nice if we had the choice though.

    b. Did you know ALL MINI trucks come with "DOT STAMPED" safety glass??? All of them!

    c. Mud flaps? You need to look closer at all the UTV's and ATC's on the road today, for that matter, many 4x4's! Is this really why you would vote no? ALL MINI TRUCKS HAVE MUDFLAPS INSTALLED!!!


    Please Reconsider you vote! I will post your reply to the masses that are watching.. Please be better informed on issues that you vote on!

    Steve
    (928) 505-8378
     

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