Summary of what I have found on this site so far... ============================= I'm trying to condense all the great Info Found on this site into one place for myself, and eventually others Disclaimer: I am not certifying nor claiming any of this information to be correct. This information is for Reference Only and is merely a compilation of info I have gathered from this site. If you find a discrepancy, please let me know so i can make any needed corrections. ============================ Availability in AZ (confirmed, thanks all you dealers out there who replied to my PM), .....(I would like to create a AZ dealer list but don't want to make waves, would assume if that's what they wanted, they would have by now) Mini Truck Comparisons .....First thread .....Second thread Buyers Guide ..... what to look for when buying thread Spare Parts/Maintenance; .....Note, each vehicle type has a top level maintenance and info section full of GREAT info. Suggest using this! (below is some specifics I was looking for) ..... Thread w/ good info, scroll down to zbadboy's post .....Another thread with good info here http://www.minitrucktalk.com/showthread.php?t=1722&highlight=gear+ratio&page=5. .....Dealers involved in this Forum have spare parts as well as complete working vehicles. .....Factory Manuals (Carry)(Hijet) Lift options and suspension info; .....Suspension configurations; ..........Honda; 4wheel independent ..........All others; IFS (independent front suspension) and Solid axle rear *Subaru rear independent?..........IFS's only have a lower control arm (UCA function deferred to the Strut/spring assy) ..........This thread seems to indicate someone has a custom front suspension (2wd) with UCA (upper control arm) Still no up close pics. ..........Mitsu suspension (4.3" of total travel) (Slimbad post #75) .....Lifts; ..........Good thread here ..........Another Good thread here ..........3" suspension available (seems to cause problems) ..........2" suspension available (seems to be the limit if you have front axles/4wd) ..........Body lifts available. ..........Another aftermarket spring install ..........Aftermarket stronger springs available (great thread guys)(special thanks to greg0187) ..........Thread pics and results ..........Supplier1 (not used) web site ..........Supplier2 was used P/N 23275 or 23250 ..........Suppliers of (strap style) suspension extension limiters (thanks Timetripper): ...............http://www.oregonmotorsports2000.com...aps/Categories ...............http://www.polyperformance.com/shop/...p-1-c-747.html ...............http://www.genright.com/ProductInfo....ductid=SLSQXXX ...............http://www.mooreparts.com/store/cate...--Latest-Rage/ ...............http://www.mooreparts.com/store/cate...Straps--Beard/ .....Rear Suspension .....Ravk installs trailer leaf packs in rear... here Rear Shocks; <-- added 01/29/2010 ....Monroe 31000 seem to work for many people thread here ....Monroe 31000 also seem to be a few inches longer (long travel) Wheels; Stock: .....12" diameter .....5" width <-- updated 12/30/09 .....??? offset <-- updated 12/30/09 .....Note: Check the load limit and speed rating of your aftermarket tires, they often are found to be lower than the stock ones. .....Make...............Year..........Bolt pattern/thread .....Suzuki/Mazda...90-95.........4x115 M12x1.25 ..........................96..............4x115 or 4x110 M12.x1.25 (verify mid year shift) ..........................97-03.........4x100 M12x1.25 .....Daihatsu..........90-98.........4x110 M12x1.5 ...........................99-03........4x100 M12x1.25 .....Honda.............90-03.........4x100 M12x1.25 .....Mitsubishi........90-98..........4x115 M12x1.5 (or 4x114.3) ..........................99-03.........4x100 M12x1.25 .....Subaru............90-03.........4x100 M12x1.25 .....Above info gathered from here .....Note: Local Tire shops can measure your bolt pattern for you if you are not comfortable doing it yourself. Aftermarket .....Online Database of wheel configs for many car companies here <-- New 02/26/2010 .....ITP 12x8 5/2 offset will fit stock Suzuki Carry 1990 and 1993 (possibly others) without spacers. .....Random retailer ; http://www.buckeyeminitrucks.com/Japanese%20Mini%20Truck%20Wheels.htm .....Originally Posted by Tom's Mini Trucks ; .....**TOYOTA** YEAR SIZE BOLT LUG NUT C-BORE .....Celica 86-91 13x5.5 4x100mm 12mmx1.5 54.1 .....Corolla 88-96 13x5 4x100 12mmx1.5 54.1 .....Corolla 88-97 14x5.5 4x100 12mmx1.5 54.1 .....Echo 00-on 13x4.5 4x100 12mmx1.5 54.1 .....MR-2 85-89 14X6 4X100 12mmx1.5 54.1 .....MR-2 spyder 00-on ? 4x100 12mmx1.5 54.1 .....Paseo 92-96 14x5.5 4x100 12mmx1.5 54.1 .....Prius 01-on ? 4x100 12mmx1.5 54.1 .....Tercel 83-97 13x4.5 4x100 12mmx1.5 54.1 .....THESE ARE ALL THE 4X100MM NOT ALL WILL FIT YOUR MINI TRUCK... CENTER BORE MAY NOT WORK .....(Citation needed) Tires; .....A Tire Thread .....Another Tire Thread .....stock rims seem to support 23x8x12 ATV wheels as a max (lift required for this size?)(some claim this config is risky but many swear by it working fine) .....some people are pushing these limits with 25"+ diameter tires and 10" width (different rim needed?) .....seems like the rim options are pretty open, many Mazda, Nissan, Honda rims are compatible (see link above). Camper shell options; .....Chevy S10 Side step is close (however, it tapers about 3" front to back and mini-trucks do not) .....Ford Ranger Side step is close as well. .....another note, std camper shells are not as tall .....found 1 thread here .....Bulldog seems to make custom ones here .....Canvas ones... .....ugh, make your own (someone did, out of fiberglass, and i found it in the photo gallery) .....From This thread(zenmaster post #24), custom toppers here 4wd Drive Train; ..... 4wd info .....Summary 4x4 configuration of these trucks; ..........Features avail: ..........Hi/Lo transfer case (tx case always locked when engaged?) (Typically 2:1 gear down?) ..........axle lock == front hub locker not diff locker See wiki article on hub lockers (some are manual hub locks, some are automatic) ..........diff lock == as name implies, locks rear differential gears. (gears are either 6.83:1 or 5.27:1?) ..........Front diff == always open, No LSD or locker for front diff available w/ out aftermarket mods (gear ratio same as rear?) ..........Feature Availability; Not all offer all features but it seems to me axle lock is std on all 4x4s (as you wouldn't have a 4x4 otherwise) Engines .....Stock Engine summary ..........Mini Cab 3g81/3g83 .....Alternatives ..........Supplier1 Transmission info<---- ADDED 6/18/09 .....Late model Honda Acty: 5spd 6.23 3spd auto 5.75 // 5 spd ratios: 1-5,R 4.545/2.500/1.680/1.133/0.861/4.300 .....Late model Honda Attack 6 spd fwd + 2 rev: 3.272 ago after 6.230[*] // 6spd ratios: UL,1-5,R,UR 7.800/4.545/2.500/1.680/1.133/0.861/4.300/7.588 .....Late model Subaru Sambar 4wd S/C 5spd + EL 6.166 // 6 spd ratios: EL,1-5,R 5.888/4.090/2.352/1.518/1.060/0.810/5.866 .....Late model Subaru Sambar 4wd N/A 5spd + EL 6.500 // 6 spd ratios: EL,1-5,R 5.888/4.090/2.470/1.615/1.125/0.861/5.866 .....Late model Subaru Sambar 2wd 5spd~~~~~~6.500 // 5 spd ratios: 1-5,R ~~~~~~4.090/2.470/1.615/1.125/0.861/4.166 .....Note: 2wd Sambar's come with 5 spd manual while 4wd Sambar's [both N/A & S/C] come with 6spd [5spd + E Low] - ratio's as noted .....Complements of Timetripper^^^ .....Final drive for mitsubishi 2wd 6.666 .....Final drive for mitsubishi 4x4 7.1666 .....Transmission ratios for mitsubishi 1 st 3.882 2nd 2.363 3rd 1.525 4th 1.000 Reverse 4.270 High 1.000 Low 1.754 .....Complements of DAN^^^ .....Thread reference here Tac, RPM, Aftermarket;<---- ADDED 11/30/09 http://www.minitrucktalk.com/showthread.php?t=2552&highlight=Air+Conditioning another: thread here: Accessories;<---- ADDED 12/01/09 http://www.best-used-tractors.com/minitruck_accessories.html Radio, Tunes, Stereo;<---- ADDED 12/30/09 Most important note (really for all accessories). Your stock radio ground isnt what you think it is (DONT USE IT). http://www.minitrucktalk.com/showthread.php?t=6059 Wiring in these trucks was limited to save cost, dont exactly have my mind around it yet, but you are best off to create your own circuit from the battery to run any add-ons. Here is a thread where someone did just that... Extra fuse box Oil<---- ADDED 09/309/10 uncompiled info i dont want to lose: http://www.machinerylubrication.com/Read/496 http://www.machinerylubrication.com/Read/616/gear-drive-lubricants http://www.api.org/certifications/engineoil/pubs/upload/1560.pdf MIL-L-2105D ASTM STP 512A, L-33 Test (moisture corrosion) http://www.eng-tips.com/viewthread.cfm?qid=120197&page=1 "GL5 is a different spec, and is not 'backwards compatible' with GL4. GL5 gear oil is a lubricant with very high extreme pressure performance needed for Hypoid gears where sliding and rolling contacts operate under very high loadings. This is achieved by incorporating high concentration of sulfurized additives. The downside to such high sulfur in oil is it tends to corrode yellow metals, so can ruin parts like brass synchronizers and some bushings. So any equipment needing GL5 performance is designed taking this limitation of the lubricant into account. GL4 oils are much more friendly to yellow metals, and so are used in equipment where such high load sliding-rolling contacts aren't present. The designers of such equipment aren't as limited in the use of brass parts. So the bottom line is that if your equipment calls for GL4 it probably doesn't need GL5 performance, and you may be asking for trouble down the line if you use a lube it wasn't designed for." http://corvaircenter.com/phorum/read.php?1,266128,266152 ----- Total Ownership Cost in comparison to other little 4x4's out there (this may take forever to compile). Again, I will respect the "old hat" question and search for these details within the site as much as possible to avoid repeat posts. But i list my interests here if anyone feels like chiming in on some of this stuff too. thanks all and hello to everyone. o8k http://o8k.ifp3.com ================================= Stuff not yet compiled: ================================= Hi j. From my manual Plugs NGK DCPR7E gap .8 to .9 mm Timing 950rpm + or - 50 7 degees BTDC Good luck Jim _ Oil filter:NAPA 1360/ WIX 51360 I Own A 91 Carry With A 660 Cc And A Fram Oil Filter Ph4967 Fits Just Right. Fuel Filter:WIX 33470 Air Filter:FRAM CA568 / NAPA Silver 22143 / WIX 42143 Sparkplug: NGK 3932 / NGK DCPRE7E Tachometer most Equus one will work on 3 cylinders http://www.iequus.com/products.php?category_id=100_120 Thermostat…Chevy sprint/ 3 cylinder works in a DDT51T. A 1/16 inch vent /relief hole needs to be drilled so that the system can bleed the air . The best oil filter brand that I have found is the Napa/Wix. It filters better than the others and has provided an increase in oil pressure on every engine that I have used it on. Random Links Not yet organized http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_3G8_engine http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Mitsubishi_engines#Explanation_of_codes http://japanese4x4minitrucks.com/index.php Other notes; Criegs list "buy a container of..." always seem to have one car in it thats not a mini... hrm....
Thanks for the info... I found one better.... http://www.minitrucktalk.com/showthread.php?t=3035&highlight=Arizona
Hi o8k great list of stuff...only one thing that could find (not that i was looking ) is the the mitsubishi (i have a 92) 90-98 bolt pattern is 114.3mm the 115mm you have listed is a ATV bolt pattern and for safety reasons trucks that are street legal should not use the 115mm ATV wheel bolt pattern. thanks for the time spent!! wyatt
Thanks, Ill make the needed updates... I would like to hear more about 115mm being a problem of safety though. My 92 Suzuiki has 115mm bolt pattern. Im not aware of any problems, seems to drive 60-70mph ok...
Hi the 115mm bolt pattern wheels you have on your truck are they off of another car or are they from a ATV dealer or a offroad mini truck site? the first thing you should know is ATV wheels are not DOT approved for street use, and i know some of the guys on the site are using ATV offroad tires, these also are not rated for street use and are only rated in most cases to 40mph's. one thing i would like to say is i am not standing on a soap box, i just want to make sure the right tires are used for the right condistions. so to be safe street tires and wheels should be use for street use for safety because all it would take is a crash of a mini truck on the highway with ATV tires and wheels on it to cause more trouble and unwanted attention we don't need, plus one of our guys getting hurt. i have been in the tire business for 15 years and i know tires, and i am just trying to help. if anyone has questions about tires, feel free to contact me wyatt
Thanks for the information, good safety tip. I wouldn’t want to see anyone get hurt either. You bring up a valid point that has largely remained “un-spelled out” for lack of a better term in this forum (at least to the extend I could find). For example, lots of people looking for 13" and 14" Rims so they can buy street tires. However, your statement is confusing to me. There is nothing mechanically unsafe about a rim with 115mm bolt spacing. I believe you mean most US manufactured 115mm bolt spacing rims are for ATVs which are not DOT approved and have a much lower design speed ceiling than DOT approved rims (for example 40mph). To answer your question… None of the above, they are from the OEM and so are the tires (e.g. Suzuki). Both designed to safely carry the vehicle around at whatever speed it can lug itself. My first thought: DOT's domain should in no way merge, conflict, or otherwise need be considered with that of an stock imported Kei Truck in the United States for the following reasons. 1. They are considered off-road vehicles by customs and applicable import regulations. 2. The importers are required to limit the vehicle speed to 25mph (one of the “applicable import regulations”). My second thought:“IF” one where to modify their vehicle to go faster than 25mph. I then Huston, we may have a problem! Again good point and Buyer beware! Bingo! Now we are getting there! 40mph is slower than a Kei truck can go if you yank that little governor off it (which by the way I would never suggest anyone do). So presuming someone removes this thing and slaps ATV tires on it (irrelevant of bolt pattern). Now ya got a speed mismatch on your hands and a safety problem. This begs the question….Are the dealers doing this b4 they resell them??? Hrm… donno… I didn’t buy from one (nothing personal guys, anyways im gonna need parts right! hehehe)… if they are, I can clearly see your frustration. Hope they have good lawyers and/or were very clear in their vehicle sale disclosure statements. Philosophically speaking, if anyone modifies something they buy from its stock configuration, they better know what they are doing or there will be unforeseen consequences. This is true for tires, rims, lifts, more horse power, and on and on…. In my case, I have stock Suzuki carry wheels and rims that came in a 115mm bolt pattern. I bought ATV rims and tires for it last week and will install them hopefully this week. I am fully aware that ATV wheels and tires have different speed ratings on them than DOT tires that im used to. I have contacted the manufacturers of my respective wheels and tires and asked they provide me with the design speed ceiling for the respective products. They have not yet gotten back to me.
Hi o8k i am glad to hear that you have stock wheels on your truck, i am a mitsu guy, and that's the bubble i am in, so not knowing that suzuki's bolt pattern is 115mm that's my bad i looked at ATV rim's when i first got my truck because i have ice raced quads in the past, and in the strait-a-ways i was well over 40 mph but checking the wheels out more for my truck i found that they are not for street use. all this info on these tires and wheels are not to mess up all the fun in mud in the state's, it's for us Canadian's (and some state's) who can drive free and clear on any highway, as you can see in my avitar, i am a street driver one more thing you can ad to your list...tire shops have a tool that checks your bolt pattern if you are not sure what it is. wyatt
Good points. For example... The ATV ITP wheels I had on my truck were only rated for 350lbs per wheel. I know I exceeded that more than a few times. LOL
:sly: yikes, wonder if my rims are that rating too... :frustration: on another note... I did hear back from the Maxxis people, and the tires are good to like 490lbs ea. which seemed low for a 6ply, but hey, who am i to question the manufacturer? I got my tires (Maxxis Ceros 23x8x12) in yesterday, had em mounted, and installed them when i got home, did some driving around on them... Great flotation!!!! Huge lugs! WOW what a difference. Although the catalog had them lookin much less agressive than they ended up being. However, took a trip on the pavement with them too, just to see. I'm now less worried about driving with the ATV wheels over 40mph simply b/c they are soo loud and spongy on pavement, it isnt worth it. Squirly, loud, mushy. Better put, the danger is quite apparent, rather than silent =) If i have to drive on street, i think ill run my stockers, toss the MAxxis wheels in the bed, and swap em out when i get to the dirt and vis versa (eventually just trailer the thing for longer trips). With the floor jack and impact wrench i have onboard, only takes about 3-4 minutes anyhow. My only disapointment (and shame on me for not doing my homework better) is the overall load rating of the ATV rims/tires is lower than i wanted. And likely lower than the 350kg load rating on the bed + truck weight :frustration:
Yeah. I always had that load rating in my thoughts when I was driving. It will never leave you! LOL The handling went to crap after I added my Maxxis tires too. Very, very scary on the slightest curves above 30mph. Easy to drift into a ditch.
Carlisletire customer support seems to be refusing to answer the question. what is the Load rating of the ITP Delta Steel wheels.... When the rather rediculous email exchange concludes... I will post more...
Importing into USA Hello all, Kindly advice how can I export trucks from Japan to USA, there is 1 buyer want to buy a container of any model trucks, 1990 and up, But what is the rule of EPA now, please help me out, thanks & Regards S.hiro http://www.japanese4x4minitruck.com
Ill call them today, i emailed them yesterday, and someone from carlisle tire replied. And the lady that replied appeared to be incompetent to me. Can only assume they are the same company. EDIT:Well Calling yielded much better results. The technician said that they don't have an exact load specification (that he has anyways, im sure there is one, there is ALWAYs a load specification) but they are built to handle all ATV and UTVs on the market many of which reach 2000lbs GVRW. Again the topic of conversation was ITP Delta Steel rims.
You should be fine with the steelies. If the little thin alum. spokes held up on mine then I wouldn't worry. Kinda strange there's no rating though.
I think its some kinda liability issue w/ them not being DOT approved. Or perhaps my conspiracy theory minded self is overly presumptuous.
Welcome to the site! Happy reading. Help yourself to wondering around and seeing what you can find. If you get stuck, post something. there are lots of helpful people here.
Good collection of things, I like it. I am new to this community I think i will learn a lot good things from you all here.
