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What engine could be used that fits the space of the stock engine?

Discussion in 'Daihatsu Hi jet' started by mrxsht, Jan 31, 2021.

  1. mrxsht

    mrxsht Member

    I'm so confused about what is the fix on the speed limiter. so I'm looking into a engine swap instead. so my question is : what engine could be used that fits the space of the stock engine? I'm looking into some motorcycle engines instead . anybody have any suggestions? By the way. I bought a 92 Daihatsu hijet,2wd 4speed.
     
  2. mrxsht

    mrxsht Member

    I found a shaft driven bmw R1100RT police engine . would you think it would work in a hijet? Well any engine would work , but in this engine . maybe it could be installed to the existing drive line?
     
  3. matt167

    matt167 Active Member

    are you sure you have a speed limiter?
     
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  4. Jigs-n-fixtures

    Jigs-n-fixtures Well-Known Member

    If it has the same rotation it could probably get it into the space on the Hijet. Thee was a guy on here, and a group of guys on YouTube who swapped in the rotary out of an RX7. Admittedly, they had to do a fairly extensive amount of body mods. And there was a guy on the forum a few years back who swapped a flat six out of a motorcycle into a Carry van.

    But, those kind of swaps take quite a bit of mechanical knowledge and skill, plus a bit of money. If you don’t have the skills it will take a huge amount of money.

    There are several threads on removing the speed control features. There is a black box on the transmission where the speedo connects. You unscrew the speedo cable from it, remove it, and screw the speedo cable to the transmission where the black box was.

    The other speed limiting trick was to install a transmission with a transfer case, and a plug where the front drive shaft would normally be. They machined a groove in the shift rod for the transfer case and installed a CirClip on the shift rod, to limit the movement of the shift fork to low range and neutral. So, you couldn’t actually get the truck into high range. If your shifter for the transfer case has three stops you don’t have the mechanical speed limiting in place. And, since it is relatively easy to do, most of the vehicles that had the transfer case locked out of high range have had the CirClip removed by a previous owner.
     
  5. Dan Thompson

    Dan Thompson New Member

  6. Jigs-n-fixtures

    Jigs-n-fixtures Well-Known Member

    You need to look at the differential to see what direction the drive shaft needs to rotate to make the truck go forward. If the rotation is correct, the BMW motor can work. You then have to figure out how to mount it, and control the clutch, shifter and throttle cables and adapt them to your stock system, cleanly enough they look stock. If I were going to install a bike motor I would probably want to retain the stock instruments, that way you know they work with all the stock sensors.
     
  7. mrxsht

    mrxsht Member

    in fact I might lose everything , because of all the burghcratic $#@& red tape.
     
  8. Dan Thompson

    Dan Thompson New Member

    Talk to me Goose! What's going on? I pick mine up in Galveston on 04-10-21.
     
  9. Dan Thompson

    Dan Thompson New Member

    What kind of issues are you running into?
    What port are you using?
     
  10. mrxsht

    mrxsht Member

    news break. well the news about me losing my hijet to customs has been cleared up. See I tried to export my hijet all on my own. that was mistake #1. then I didn't file a ISF 10+2 form 24 hours before the ship came into the port of Tacoma,mistake #2. then I sent my Original Bill of Lading to the wrong address, mistake#3.
    But now. I hired a customs broker who helped me findly helped so I can go pick it up . by me not sending the ISF 10+2 form I would have been responsible to pay $5000. penilty+all other expenses. but since I had paid all the the other expenses,and I was a first time exporter not knowing all the procedure s . they waved that penilty along with storage fee. and are now letting me take possession . they just wanted it off the docks. there is more to the story but you get the idea what happened.
    So my $850 hijet turned out to cost me $3181.00 in the end. going to pick it up this Monday. anybody want to buy a 92 hijet?
     
  11. mrxsht

    mrxsht Member

    I was thinking about doing a swap of engines. And was wondering if the Daihatsu Charadeengine will fit the hijet space?
     
  12. Jigs-n-fixtures

    Jigs-n-fixtures Well-Known Member

    If it is an “E” series 3-cylinder it could probably be made to fit. You would have to figure out teh manifolds, and oil pan/pickup. You can probably use the ones off the EF engine, but possibly not..

    The folks who really know these engines are on the LiveToDai forum.
    https://livetodai.com/t/e-series-engines/307
     
  13. mrxsht

    mrxsht Member

    I try and research what I'm planing to do with this 92 hijet of mine. I bought it to be my everyday driver. but the lack of stock power limits me . I'm not finding the answers to to what I would like to know. the internet can be limited to the information one finds.
    I need a different power plant. I need it to be powerful enough to get me into the highways with ease. One that's readily available and not too complicated to modify if at all. what engine could be put in a 92 hijet that has less hassles installing, has plenty of power, and can be found easily?
     
  14. Jigs-n-fixtures

    Jigs-n-fixtures Well-Known Member

    There are some 993cc versions of the E-series Daihatsu motors. One of the with a turbo would double the horsepower. The Daihatsu Charade had that engine In the North American market.

    If you have a lot of money to throw at it, the EU versions, called the Porter had 4-cylinder versions in gas and diesel, but your looking at needing to track down a whole drive train, and mount system to fit it to your chassis.

    Beyond that, you’re looking at transplanting a complete engine and transmission from a shaft drive bike into the truck. You would also have to figure out how to handle the extra torque at the rear axle, by either a lot of upgrades on the stock diff, or modifying a stronger axle to fit. Which will require a lot of custom fabrication and frame reworks to handle the torque. Which quite bluntly are probably beyond your skills and knowledge set.
     
  15. dale hynes

    dale hynes Member

  16. mrxsht

    mrxsht Member

    I'm looking into a 1.3L engine from a 2004 hijet van. anybody know how well that would fit in a 7th gen hijet truck?
     
  17. mrxsht

    mrxsht Member

    so dale. Who are you using to pick up, ship, your 993 engine?
     
  18. mrxsht

    mrxsht Member

    If I may ask?
    Who is helping you with your import process?
    I only ask, because I can't find an engine here.but don't have any idea who to go through for my problem of pick up and delivery.
     
  19. mrxsht

    mrxsht Member

    In the uk
     
  20. mrxsht

    mrxsht Member

    I'm looking at a 2003 Daihatsu atrai efdet , ta-s220g engine and wondering if I can get it to fit my 92 ef S82 hijet. I have a feeling the motor mounts might be different , but close. would anyone know how much they differ, and how much they are the same?
     
  21. mrxsht

    mrxsht Member

    and can it fit?
     
  22. Jigs-n-fixtures

    Jigs-n-fixtures Well-Known Member

    The e series engines has the same exterior dimensions. The folks over at livetodai, have a pretty deep and wide knowledge about Daihatsu bits and pieces. I’d, ask over there.
     
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  23. mrxsht

    mrxsht Member

    Ok. So i bought a 1.3L ,16v fuel injected HC engine with the transmission,drive shaft,and rear end from a guy in the UK. It came from a1998 S85 van. I'm trying to put it into my 1992 ,S82 Japanese chassis. But it is giving me problems for starters it's way too big but it's gotta work. When fitting it at the fabricators all kind of issues arise . The clearance from ground to bottom of the oil pan is 6".
    In order to raise it i would have to cut out a spot in the cab where my seat belt latches are and My ebrake is. Then the distance from my transmission to the rear axle is so small. That there wouldn't be any room for the drive shaft. It would be enough room to attach yolk to yolk. And the angle from trani to rear end off by 3,or 4 inches. The engine has a mounting bar that mounts to the engine,then that mounts to the frame. I wanted to use the one bar that was originally came with the truck, so i could use the bolt hole already in place. But that's not enough room for a drive shaft. The engine need to go forward .like right under the seats . I've tried looking for photos or digrams of just the frame of each model of truck to compare so i could see the differences and compinsate but can't find anything .
    Now i don't know if there is anyone here who can help me figure this out but I'm giving it a try .
     
  24. Jigs-n-fixtures

    Jigs-n-fixtures Well-Known Member

    First question, is this a 3 or four cylinder, and what engine series is it?

    I think that the engine, moves forward. The space in front of the radiator, and the space between the engine and the radiator gets shorter.

    There is no way to move the transmission output shaft very much. So the only way you can go is forward. I’m thinking the front of the bell housing stays where it is, and the front of the engine moves forward.

    You may have to make a custom oil pan.
     
  25. mrxsht

    mrxsht Member

    It is a 1.3l 4cylinder Hc series engine from a 98 Daihatsu hijet van s85 ,5 speed efi.
    If I go forward. I cut into my cab ,and lose my seat belt latches and ebreak. . This frame is like sheet metal. Do I want to weld or drill holes into layered sheet metal?
     
  26. Jigs-n-fixtures

    Jigs-n-fixtures Well-Known Member

    You have to have enough room for the driveshaft. And, it is about as short as it can get. You could potentially find an independent rear suspension so the differential is fixed, and be able to couple to it.

    But, if you are keeping the live axle on the rear, the position of the rear outpost on the transmission is pretty much fixed, and you have to design forward from there.

    Looking at my S110, I could accommodate the extra block length of a 4th cylinder to the front, but would have to move the radiator forward to do it. The tilt on the engine is enough that the valve cover would clear. I might have to make a custom intake manifold, depending on what comes on the engine.

    Did you go to the Livetodai, forum and ask the guys about dimensions? i told you early one, that the E series, three cylinder in the 993-cc version would fit, with minor mods, like swapping oil pans.

    I’m pretty sure I could fit the D series in mine. But as said, things would need to move forward to get the room for the fourth cylinder. Did you get any photos of the engine installed? Perhaps you could find a parts/service manual for a Piaggio Porter with that engine.

    The S85s with the larger engines are generally built by Piaggio in Italy. Piaggio bought the license from Daihatsu, in the late 80s, early 90s. And have made some modifications down through the years, but are still building S80 series trucks with larger engines.

    The seatbelt mount, shifter are mounted on a brace which you have to remove for some of the service procedures on the S80 and S100 series. I had to take mine off to change out the E-Brake cable. Perhaps Piaggio is putting a spacer under their brace.

    To do engine swaps correctly, you need a lot of skills, tools and knowledge. Most mechanics don’t have that skill set.

    I would have looked for a larger displacement E series motor, and then added a supercharger like MotoCheez did on his S82. Which seems to have given him sufficient power. The nine psi of boost he runs, would give a 40 to 50% increase.
     
  27. mrxsht

    mrxsht Member

    Ive got a fabricator fitting the engine. There's no way I could do it . We decided to bring the whole rear suspension and axel back instead of bringing the engine forward. I just hope I don't get raped when it time to pay the fabricator. Its going to be sticking out of the bed, so I'll have to have a cover made for engine at some point . We decided the the original BB olt holes to mount engine are going to have to be used. Putting new holes in the sheet metal frame wasn't to advantageous . I'll keep you posted.
     
  28. mrxsht

    mrxsht Member

    How about moving the rear end back ? Taking the shakles off . Extend the rear frame 12" ,and then put shakles in their new location? My wheel wells will be off a foot ,so they can't stay in the old location.
    But you're Right! There is at least 10" of space to move forward.
    But as I noticed in my truck . Making sudden stops would send me spinning in circles on the street. Having my center of gravity is much better where it is meant to be, We'll see.
     
    Last edited: Sep 1, 2022
  29. mrxsht

    mrxsht Member

     
  30. Rubin

    Rubin New Member

    What about the Yamaha yxz 1000cc 4x4??? Wouldn’t it fit being it’s Japanese and small enough to fit under the seats of the sxs? Anyone else looked in to that??? Would still have 4x4 too!!
     

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