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Super Charger Build

Discussion in 'Performance' started by spaner, Jan 21, 2010.

  1. fupabox

    fupabox Well-Known Member

    2 in 1 day.....oh man that honks....still funny though....sorry:frustration::D:):pop::p
     
  2. spaner

    spaner Well-Known Member

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    Not funny, IRONIC...

    BANG, the "Interceptor" is dialed IN. Just like that, and I'm pissed off.
    A long story but, you had to be there. I'm doing hi-speed road trials in a custom boosted mini truck, and the cops are giving me tickets, left and right.
    Should have known better.
    The Interceptor belongs in the bush, doing donuts whilst climbing hills and throwing dirt of the 11" wide Titan 489s.
    The road trials are over.

    That phone #'s not much good anymore either...


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    Last edited: May 19, 2011
  3. Ironraven

    Ironraven Active Member

    Yeah, first time out with my RSX after I turbo'ed it was much the same story :eek: Oops, this car can go 45mph in 1st gear... and I already shifted into 3rd. Lookin' forward to some off road arse kicking!
     
  4. spaner

    spaner Well-Known Member

  5. spaner

    spaner Well-Known Member

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    I've got a few more hundred K on the "Interceptor" now (after the wires and such) everthing IS; dialed in, I'm very happy with the performance, but mostly, the torque...BIG DIFFERANCE..this is how he should have come from the factory. Only down side, burns premium like CRAZY!!! I just can't stop driving it like a formula 1; got to stop that...

    So, I got the original "Winter grip 155's" back on, just for the summer highway travel. Running back and forth to the trout stream camp area.

    Just ridiculous, 1st gear is for the bush, second...have to take it easy, but 0 to 80kph dropped from 15s to about 10s...:cool:

    Something to be said for "rolling resistance". I wouldn't have believed it would make that much difference, but it did. The Titan 489's are 24's, but run half as much weight as the Kumho's, with the CT "steelies"...we'll see how they perform...

    I'll get some video out later this summer after a few "bush runs"...but the nephew is about to finish school and wants to take control of that:pop::pop:
    I only hope that he can produce as well as Iron....

    Cuz, it's just stupid, with the 11 Inch wide rear Titan's, climbing sand hills, with the diff-lock on. It's not the "suzuki carry" anymore....

    It's the "INTECEPTOR"....


    PS: off-road arse-kicking, to follow...


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  6. fupabox

    fupabox Well-Known Member

    Don't know how I missed that last video ???:confused:...the growl sounds cool.:)...I know what you mean by rolling resistance,I've been trying to pass that one on for a few months now.....had 175/70s and swapped for 155/80s and the difference was quite noticeable.......when's the MFP paint job coming :):D
     
  7. spaner

    spaner Well-Known Member

  8. fupabox

    fupabox Well-Known Member

    Is your camera mounted on the windshield???....cool video...looks like you had to do the "survivorman" ...set up camera......go far away....move through camera's field of vision....go way back and retrieve camera...:D
     
  9. spaner

    spaner Well-Known Member

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    Yea, had some fun with it, turned out ok for my first attempt. Did the survivorman thing a few times, had a hard time with figuring out a mount for the inside....it was infront of me the whole time...GPS windshield mount...now I can mount to any glass in any position..simple. ;)

    Got a lot of raw video over a week having fun with the truck but turned out that a lot of it got corrupted once the SD card got over half full.:frustration: I had some wicked sand climbing in there. Not sure if I will be able to recover the AVI files but I'm learning a lot which is what I like about doing projects in the first place. 3gpp...zamzar...file headers, now I know why people go to school for this stuff. This video started out with no music, but there is this annoying tic,tic,tic going on, quite loud, audio was added to cover that up, that's why the level is so high.

    Respect Iron, this video stuff is hard work...but kinda fun too.:D

    PS: More beer = beter video[​IMG]


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  10. starpuss

    starpuss Member

    we still want to see a video of it ripping up pavement!.
     
  11. greg0187

    greg0187 Moderator Staff Member


    I can provide that! :pop:
     
  12. spaner

    spaner Well-Known Member

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    Yea, I'm going to stay away from the pavement-supercharger mix for a while. Last week, on my way out of town, I was stopped at a light beside these two girls in an F-150 and it kind'a looked to me like the Interceptor was not getting the respect that it deserves. So...4x4...ON...Difflock...ON...green light...HAMMERED DOWN. It "hops", like a jackrabbit, for the first 40 feet and I had the 145's on so I got it up to 80 inside of two blocks in a 60...maximum braking, and turned into the gas station to fill-up...just like I planed. As soon as I step out of the truck, OPP cruser drives into the lot and pulls up to the other side of the pumps..officer hanging out the window obviously looking at the truck. I just turned the other way and kept pumping my gas...I don't see you....and he pulled away.:eek:...that would have been number three.


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yv3H5bN4TH0


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  13. fupabox

    fupabox Well-Known Member

    Is that an RV90 in your box (that's what she said......boooyaaa!)...what's with the bagged plate ??? heist in progress:confused::):):)....love the sound of that truck
     
  14. spaner

    spaner Well-Known Member

    Nice, She said "is that a motorbike in my box, or are you just excited". baDang...:pop:

    Yea, I always bring the RV90 as a back-up to walking when I go out swamping and such, but here I was shooting some road-restriction climbing in HD and took a few jpegs as well. I had the plates bagged up for the close quarter video, cuz you can't crop it frame by frame and I like a little anonimity..just In case, you know? Not sure what kind of misschef I'll get up to here.

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    Unfortunatlly, that footage was too corrupted to recover...I'll just have to go back and shoot some more...:D


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  15. Ironraven

    Ironraven Active Member

    Niiiiice :D
     
  16. spaner

    spaner Well-Known Member

    Hesitation...seafoam and such...

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    So, back to the work. The interceptor is very dialed in, and, like I said, 88hp is my opinion; but I still have a slight hesitation on acceleration when I "HAMMER DOWN"; you gotta "feel the petal" for optimal engine acceleration, you can't just "floor it" off the clutch. Seafoamed him, OK, things are good, but the same. Two things are different from the original:

    1) Boost pressure; like a turbo

    2) Watermeth injection

    So, I've just changed two things in the set-up:



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    Plugs: Like the factory Turbo, supercharger; are hotter and the gap is tighter; so let's figure this out:



    [​IMG]

    So, we need the same physical size, but for a Turbo temp and gap.

    NGK, of cource: I'd prefer a DPR5EIX-7, but there is no such thing.:mad:
    So, a DPR6EIX-9....gap can be tightened, but very rare plug. Ordered...maybe:sly:
    If all else fails, the DPR5EA-9, is very common and should be just fine, once gaped.

    Second change: Watermeth...

    Installed throttle position sensor @ 75% location. So now, even if boost is ON, no meth injection below 3/4 throttle...cylinder cumbustion foul elimination. (boost can come on with very little throttle, but high load...like a hill and low speed; therefore low RPMs)

    It'll run a lot hotter, but it's not even warm now so should be OK.

    We'll see how it works out next week,



    Trial by video...:cool:


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  17. spaner

    spaner Well-Known Member

    DUO...what?

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    What? So, I read back a few posts, and I guess I missed a few things. Just dropping in from the camp; summer, you know? "Intermitant Internet", and attention.

    The up-to-date; is this:

    1) My expeience with wheel size VS weight VS rolling resistance (tread pattern). I have a set of 195 55r 15s studded, with can-tire "steelies" (60lbs each); a set of 145-winter stocks on "aluminums" (15lbs each) and a set of Arctic Cat 12s with the Titan 489s, 24x8s (20lbs each) in the front and the 24x11s in the rear (25lbs each). I've used them all under different conditions.
    This is the answer:

    TREAD PATTERN: Has a 25% effect on PWR/Torque.
    TOTAL SIZE:......Has a 35% effect on PWR/Torque.
    TOTAL WEIGHT:..Has a 45% effect on PWR/Torque.

    Don't know, that's just what it is. If you could find a set @ 24" that was super light, and had a flat profile tread, you'd be set for max street potential. I'm going to say aluminum ATV 12's with the biggest street tire possible will give the best performance, on the street.

    2) Sorry Fupa, missed you there. The MFP paint and badges will be done; over the winter. Not going to take the FUN out of the summer.

    3) Missed this link for some reason. The Interceptor is tuned in, air-box completed, seat modification complete, carb and meth injection; tuned.

    Plugs and watermeth TPS integrated video to come...:D


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBFlJPVreok


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  18. fupabox

    fupabox Well-Known Member

    2) Sorry Fupa, missed you there. The MFP paint and badges will be done; over the winter. Not going to take the FUN out of the summer.

    Damn that's gonna be cool...If you didn't do it I was gonna do up the Mits. before I give it to my son
     
  19. spaner

    spaner Well-Known Member

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    YOU KNOW IT'S GOING TO BE...:pop:

    Dosen't mean you can't be first;

    But it will be done. Yea, let's do a "cammo", or, maybe just a "flat black";

    C'MON...

    A WASTE OF OUR TIME...

    I got the lights (massive; yellow) and bumper (ridiculous; cow-plow) figured out.

    When I blow by the local "MART" gathering, downtown, at 80k...

    Well, you haven't see nothing yet....[​IMG]



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  20. Ironraven

    Ironraven Active Member

    Damn! You need to get a rollcage for that b1tch, you're hauling ASS!
     
  21. Ironraven

    Ironraven Active Member

    Oh, and Tiesto = win
     
  22. spaner

    spaner Well-Known Member

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    Iron, the last of the high speed @ss hauling, you have seen. The nephew got a hold of the GPS unit after the last road run, MAX speed-126KPH...
    Were you?...did you?...that last turn were you doing...?:eek:
    NAW, leftover data from my Ford Focus Highway trip I said. ATV tirers can't hold that kind of speed...:cool:

    I got tuned in there. Kind of dangerous I guess. Not about to install a rollcage cu'z I don't plan on doing any rolling. So, going to do some low speed obstruction crawling over the next while. Ironic, cu'z the plug change worked out great!

    A lot of NET info searching on the plug temps, booster's said that I should go one step cooler; 7s to 8s. Mether's said that I should go hotter; 7's to 6's...almost no info from guys who are boosting with meth; but they did say that it should cancel out; 7's to 7's...:frustration:...I ended up going with the 6's...and a tighter gap (28)...for throttle responce VS economy...
    The slight hesitation that I had was eliminated...but best of all...when I put the timing light on him, I realized that I had "advanced" the timing to 4deg...:frustration:read back a few posts..thought you guys were looking out for me here, checking my work...I been smoke'n too many dubes in the shop.
    Corrected that to 14deg...(ADVANCED TIMING)[​IMG] plus the hotter plugs...checked it out "down town" before the highway; WOW...[​IMG]

    Then, out on the highway, leaving town, started to lose power at speed, (figured, plugs too hot, CHT way too high...). So, I pump the throttle twice to determine throttle responce...rookie mistake....BANG..[​IMG] THOUGHT I LOST THE ENGINE THERE.

    JUST LUCKY; Just, blew the intake vacuum lines off the manifold. Limped him to the hunt camp. First time I have ever had a "back-fire" through an intake manifold. Took him apart "on-sight"; PROBLEM Due to modified seat presure on the supercharger electrical mag coil connector. Connector rotated 180deg to eliminate interference. Problem solved.

    The supercharger clutch was engaging at erratic intervals due to interfeance from the seat modification.

    All problems with this build have now been solved, madness ensues...


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  23. spaner

    spaner Well-Known Member

    Too much power....

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    There is such a thing as too much power. I won't be looking at any further power modification for this unit. As it is, the Titan 489's (11" wide in the rear) just "spin" in all gears on gravel road applications. I now have to apply the throttle in a "feeling manner" to make full traction, (even with diff-lock-ON) in the bush. You will see this clearly in the following "rear-view" video clips. Dark patches in the dirt during throttle application.

    The unit does blead power below 3TRPM's, which is why I mostly keep things revved up high, for control.

    With the plug changes and the recent vacuum advance, I am now calling the HP level to be closer to 100HP than 90. Or the "Interceptor 100"

    Better yet;

    Interceptor 1


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  24. firejonny89

    firejonny89 Member

    wow 100 hp u soo need to make up a kit for this lol how much money u got putting this together so far
     
  25. Ironraven

    Ironraven Active Member

    Too much power in the mini truck. Never thought anyone'd have that problem!
     
  26. fupabox

    fupabox Well-Known Member

    on the 4 degrees timing...though you were just being careful to avoid detonation:D
     
  27. spaner

    spaner Well-Known Member

    I could put a kit together, not a problem. No one would buy it though. Once you factor in labour for components and job outsourcing, cost would be about $5500 ish, then profit on top of that. Not really interested in doing that.

    After this video was shot, I destroyed the front end on the truck; bent it to hell. I waited too long to get that front bumper-slider completed. Ironic again, all that high speed waco driving and the damage gets done at 2mph. I hit an imovable rock with the truck in 4wd, diff-lock on, in EL @ 6TRPM...you get the idea.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8-9JlmVCuE
     
  28. fupabox

    fupabox Well-Known Member

    crap..that stinks.hope it's not too bad ..cool vid though
     
  29. spaner

    spaner Well-Known Member

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    Hey, the vids are becoming fun Fupa. A little bit of work, lot's of learning. Lost a lot of clipage due to "movie-maker" using remote "shortcuts". I had a whole bunch of mid-level clips to be synced to audio, and then cleaned up the desk-top video scraps. Movie maker clips now showed only "Xs". "Unknown link". Lesson learned, ALWAYS, have a master back-up of the raw data.:frustration:

    That's why some of the clips "run-on", not a lot of material left, and I went with WEST; not good enough for the next Tiesto mix. 30% of what I had. What ever, it was still a hell of a lot of fun to do. Gave me a break during the day's work, winching the camper truck into this year's camp/hunt site...remote fly-in-only outfitter's lake. (man he was shocked-pissed to see the big truck come in) :cool:...

    The interceptor1 makes a great "chase vehicle"[​IMG]; 6000lb winch (with block-doubler), gas, bike, gen, bat-charger etc. Three days to winch the 7km in to the site. One hour to drive out with the mini.:D....with AC... :D FUN...SMILES ;) Happiness...

    I'm going back next week to try out the fishing, and see if these "fly-in Ameicans" are actually getting their 5grand worth. Going to be fun.

    "The front end damage" was to the passenger side drag-link mount; bent to hell...but, it's better. I had the same "pitman arm wear", clunking up and down, in the bush. Figured, next winter project #46; press-sleave it up. Now, IT'S ALL TIGHT. Steering is good, track is good, no "pitman-arm banging"; up and down. Steering wheel is "out" 30deg to the right, though :confused:.

    I might just leave all that to the winter, down time, repair time....it's just TOO MUCH FUN to take it "out -of-service"...:D

    HELL...NO...:mad: :pop:


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  30. spaner

    spaner Well-Known Member

    Fixed It...

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    Jacked the drag-link back into place, and fixed the pitman-arm slackage; rattle and roll. Shimed the pitman-arm with two lengths of cv joint end-ties. (cut-ends) Couldn't find the "shim-stock". One length in the shaft and one length in the bushing; pressed it all together. Forget a $100 buck bushing; no more slack and steers fine. :D


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    Last edited: Aug 3, 2011

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