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Hello, some questions about the engine

Discussion in 'Subaru Sambar' started by David Ogden, May 3, 2019.

  1. David Ogden

    David Ogden Member

    Yesterday I bought an 89 ( I think, K 10th character in vin) Sambar. It smoked like nothing I have ever seen before, but it ran, pretty good actually. Today I pulled the engine and tore it down. The rings are way past worn out and the bearings are all wiped. What I mostly need to know is how do I find out what engine it is so I can get the right parts? Also need the crank main and rod journal specs, torque specs etc.
     
  2. David Ogden

    David Ogden Member

    I may have made a mistake thinking K was the 10th character of the VIN, not sure what the VIN actually is. Did find a tag on the rear engine cover that says it's a EN07 658cc engine though.
     
  3. MichTrucks

    MichTrucks Moderator Staff Member Supporting Member

    David you can get parts from several "US" suppliers but those are probable Chinese knockoffs. For Oem parts you might want to contact Yokohamamotors.net. These are great people and they are Americans. All of japan is just coming off extended holiday so they be a bit of time to get caught up and respond to your inquiry.
     
  4. David Ogden

    David Ogden Member

    That wasn't my question but thanks for the reply.
     
  5. Botl01

    Botl01 Active Member

    David, try inputting your Vin number on this site.

    https://partsouq.com/
     
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  6. Maximal

    Maximal Active Member

    JDM vehicles dont have a traditional VIN, just the chassis and build number. it'll end up being KS4-085325 for example. its likely a carbureted EN07, basically the same engine from 1988ish-2012 with maybe some small differences in 1994 i believe. the engine in my 1997 looks exactly the same as the one i pulled from my 91. KS4 are so dime-a-dozen, honestly i would just toss in a <50k km engine in and strip your current one for parts

    as said, toss the VIN into PartSouq. ive ordered from them for almost a decade for my JDM vehicles, i got brake pads for like $10 and a timing belt for $12 for my Sambar from them. only thing is since they ship from Saudi Arabia, best to do a big order due to shipping
     
    Last edited: May 6, 2019
  7. David Ogden

    David Ogden Member

    So where do I get a replacement engine?
     
  8. David Ogden

    David Ogden Member

    Thanks, helpful but don't see any prices. Still need some engine specs.
     
  9. Botl01

    Botl01 Active Member

  10. David Ogden

    David Ogden Member

  11. Maximal

    Maximal Active Member

    hard to say, go to the generic parts suppliers that mark up everything 300% its going to be likely $2000+ shipping for a low mileage engine, someone on here parting out a Sambar or a Jap wrecking yard could be $1000-$1200ish

    if you ripped down the engine that far, you could toss bearings/rings/seals into it and give it a go
     
  12. MichTrucks

    MichTrucks Moderator Staff Member Supporting Member

    try G&R imports for a used engine. That would be your cheapest avenue. Rebuilding or a rebuilt engine is certainly the more costly way to go. Regards.
     
  13. David Ogden

    David Ogden Member

    I haven't found an engine in the US period. Anywhere overseas is $2500+. The crank does have some wear but without specs I can't even get it turned. Thinking of getting the .05 bearings and just going with it, won't be perfect but it will run and maybe I can get my money back out of it. I'll just have to guess at torque settings but I have turned a lot of bolts in my life.
     
  14. rkrenicki

    rkrenicki Active Member

    If you have a EN07 engine, then it would be at least a 1990 model. There is a service manual here: http://jdmfsm.info/Auto/Japan/Subaru/--Old Models--/Subaru Sambar KS-KV English Service Manual/

    You said that the "10th character of your VIN" is K. I am not really sure what number you would be referring to since neither the Model code or VIN is that long. The model code is 7 characters, and the VIN is 9..

    What is your model code? It would be something like KS4C32N, and it would be on the plate in the passenger side footwell.
     
  15. Maximal

    Maximal Active Member

    i have all the service manuals in english, if i remember tomorrow i'll snap a picture. pretty sure torque specs are listed
     
  16. David Ogden

    David Ogden Member

    I was combining both codes which together made 17 digits, like a normal VIN#. Turns out (thanks BOT101) it was built 12/14/1990.
     
  17. David Ogden

    David Ogden Member

    It would be more helpful to have the crankshaft specs, thanks.
     
  18. rkrenicki

    rkrenicki Active Member

    The service manual that I linked above contains all of the crankshaft specs on the 10th and 11th page of the Engine Overhaul section.
     
  19. David Ogden

    David Ogden Member

    Thank you, I didn't notice the link before.
     
  20. matt167

    matt167 Active Member

    an '89 is a 550cc. once dead, it's not even worth toying with. You could just about get a whole truck imported for not much more than an EN07 engine and I'm not sure you can swap a 550 for a 660 on a Sambar
     
  21. rkrenicki

    rkrenicki Active Member

    His truck is not actually an 89, since it has the EN07. He already determined that his was built in December 1990, so it is probably a "1991" model ("B" as the 4th character of the Model Code)

    Pre-1990 had the EK23 engine, and no they are not interchangeable.
     
  22. hilbert

    hilbert Member

    It's awesome!
     
  23. David Ogden

    David Ogden Member

    Actually its an "A" but doesn't matter. I finally found the engine code on the block, very faint but in the spot I thought it should be in the first place. Got the crank specs, miked it and got parts ordered. When they get here I'm off to the machine shop.
     
  24. David Ogden

    David Ogden Member

    Well, the crank is off to the machine shop. I was working on changing the valve seals this morning and dropped one of those impossibly small keepers, looked everywhere for it, finally found it, then the next spring I took off another one fell out, now I have a spare. Was talking with a friend of mine yesterday about how things you drop can end up in an impossible place. I probably have done something harder than put the rocker assembly back on but I don't remember what,where or when, 5 hands would be a blessing when doing that.
     
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  25. Epicurus

    Epicurus New Member

    Where did you find the specs for your crankshaft? I have a 1994 EN07C that needs a new or machined crank.
     
  26. rkrenicki

    rkrenicki Active Member

  27. Epicurus

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  28. rkrenicki

    rkrenicki Active Member

    I just saw that you necrobumped David's other thread too.

    The tolerances on the crank are VERY tight.. only about 1 or 2 thou in the worst case. If you spun a bearing, then the crank is toast and will need to be replaced. If your machinist says that it cannot be ground, then I would trust his judgement as well.
     
  29. Epicurus

    Epicurus New Member

    I think you are right. My machinist says there is a gouge in the crank. It looks like Yokohama may have a crank. Can you point me toward a thread that will tell me how to determine my chassis number? I have the info from a door tag, but I want to make sure I have the chassis number before I try to order this part.

    Thanks again for your help.
     
  30. rkrenicki

    rkrenicki Active Member

    If you want to save about $150, order it from JapanParts.com instead.

    You will need to send an email to them saying that you want to buy part number 12201KA201. They will add it to their site for you for $100 less and they will not charge you the $48 Japanese Consumption Tax that Yokohama charges. That part number is the newest version of the crankshaft for all 1990-1998 Sambars, regardless of aspiration or transmission type.

    As for your "chassis number" aka "Frame number" aka "VIN".. it is the 9 digit long code on your frame and model plate. I am not sure if you have a truck or a van, but it would start with KS (if a truck) or KV (if a van), followed by 7 numbers.

    It is not the same as the 7 character applied model code which also starts with KS or KV, but is followed by numbers and letters.
     
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